Aimbots: Annoying

[Mesker]

So, in about ~1/8 of my games as a locust/flea, I'm getting perfectly tracked full alpha burns at distance while weaving. I quit the game last time because of it, and it's even more prevalent these days than before.

I don't think there's enough financial incentive to implement an anticheat that is effective enough to solve the problem.

[spartanspud]

Yeah you're right.

[Shiro]

Try recording a video evidence, maybe you'll be more believable then

[Mesker]

Originally posted by Shiro:

Try recording a video evidence, maybe you'll be more believable then

The inability to take me at my word is silly. I would recommend trying to play a locust in tier 2 or higher, and just weave around near laserboats. The perfect arm accuracy compared to the torso is easy to see, and it doesn't make sense to hit that hitbox at 400m for a full burn on a dodging mech, better yet the second fastest in the game.

With video evidence, what changes, a single ban? The problem needs wide, effective anti-cheat, and that isn't likely to be implemented on a game this late in its life-cycle.

There are already credible videos from TTB, etc. Here's a link if you'd like to see one in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrl3lv0FVpo

[KealyKays]

With arms unlocked it's fairly easy to get 50%+ burn on a flea or a locust with lasers because your arms will move alot faster than the torso mounted weapons. If they were hitting you full tilt weaving around with Gauss or AC5's I'd be a bit more sceptical about aim botters. The only way to really know like with TTB is to see from their perspective after you die as there are no killcams in this game.

I have found that the higher up you go the harder it is to play light mechs that don't have ECM or Stealth Armour just because people are alot better at aiming/tracking and actually utilise their arm locks. I've fallen out of love with the Locusts and Fleas just because once I hit T3 I started getting matched with alot of Tier 1/2 players (Taiwanese Rice Farmer has one tapped me on the Pirate's Bane several times haha)

Alot of it is just skill and sometimes you think stuff is suspect but it's very hard to prove without having the luxury of spectating the suspected cheaters. Maybe try taking down their names and then if you're on their team next game if you die before them just spectate them and see if they have that weird jumping around behaviour.

Also watch youtube videos of comp players. Their aim and tracking is almost godlike most of the time and that's just skills/perks and that mouse function thing that drops your DPI temporarily for sniping.

[Ilshavoh]

The times I explode as a light mech, it's because I lost a dogfight, or the enemy team wasn't lobotomized and ganged up on me when their man called me out.

There is like a handful of instances I explode because someone snapped off a massive pinpoint alpha.

If it was this common getting full laser burns on target, I'd see it way more often, and it wouldn't be laser damage spread all over.

[KealyKays]

I'm not saying pinpoint, and definitely not full burns as it's way too hard to get a full burn on a tiny mech running at 155+kph unless you're running in a straight line directly away from them, but a decent chunk of people in T2/T1 can at least splash damage all over you with lasers. With 20 armour on the side torso's and running XL Engine there's only so many times you can do that before you have to start using ally mech's armour for cover.

[Ilshavoh]

Oh yeah, no, I believe that wholeheartedly.

I'm just assuming that OP is grossly overstating or misremembering the degree to which they get hit by "full burns", because I sure as hell am only getting maybe 3-5 damage total when I fire 4 IS ML in a dogfight on a GOOD day, with the rest missing the mech altogether, because limited torso twist and full speed turning matches hard.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by Mesker:

Originally posted by Shiro:

Try recording a video evidence, maybe you'll be more believable then

The inability to take me at my word is silly.

If someone told you that they are your bank's security departmemt, that your bank account is compromised by some scammers and you must transfer all you money to "safe account" NOW to save all your money... would it be silly to not take them at their word?

At least you have the benefit of not trying to ruin my finances. Still, with many crying "wolf" "cheater" in various multiplayer games, it would be unwise to believe yet another one doing the same thing, without anything to back them up.

Originally posted by Mesker:

I would recommend trying to play a locust in tier 2 or higher, and just weave around near laserboats. The perfect arm accuracy compared to the torso is easy to see, and it doesn't make sense to hit that hitbox at 400m for a full burn on a dodging mech, better yet the second fastest in the game.

"Fastest" doesn't mean "unpredictable enough to never be hit". If the enemy with appropriate weapon has good enough aim and sees you, you will be hit often enough. Sometimes for what seems like full laser duration, too, if you fail to be unpredictable to him. There will be some misses too, but your brain will hardly notice them as you're too busy running for your life or being already dead thanks to your non-existant ehp already being gone.

Originally posted by Mesker:

With video evidence, what changes, a single ban?

Banning their account and forcing to buy or re-farm for another mech is already good enough. Also, people will not only actually believe you, they will get more educated on how to spot cheating, cat thing mode of them in the future

Originally posted by Mesker:

The problem needs wide, effective anti-cheat, and that isn't likely to be implemented on a game this late in its life-cycle.

I agree that a good anticheat will help the game, but implementing it isn't the matter of life-cycle. Game doesn't have thaymany players to begin with. If they do add it and increase feeling of certainty we have in high level players being legit, it's all good; before that, manual reviews by mods should do well enough.

Originally posted by Mesker:

There are already credible videos from TTB, etc. Here's a link if you'd like to see one in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrl3lv0FVpo

Yes, the proof that cheater scum exist even in MWO. No word on cheater population and prevalence, tho. This is what I dislike the most about them – one cheater makes dozens of top players look slightly suspicious to a clueless average player.

[spartanspud]

He specifically states a few times that it's incredibly uncommon and PGI is aware of that player. So it's really unlikely you're actually running into them in such a small number of players. PGI can afford to follow up on reports manually because there are so few players.
If you think someone's hacking, report it to the support desk or their official forum and the person in question will be bad if there's an iota of credence to the claim.

[Xetelian]

Originally posted by Mesker:

Originally posted by Shiro:

Try recording a video evidence, maybe you'll be more believable then

The inability to take me at my word is silly. I would recommend trying to play a locust in tier 2 or higher, and just weave around near laserboats. The perfect arm accuracy compared to the torso is easy to see, and it doesn't make sense to hit that hitbox at 400m for a full burn on a dodging mech, better yet the second fastest in the game.

With video evidence, what changes, a single ban? The problem needs wide, effective anti-cheat, and that isn't likely to be implemented on a game this late in its life-cycle.

There are already credible videos from TTB, etc. Here's a link if you'd like to see one in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrl3lv0FVpo

That is obviously a person with a control stick

You try to watch the arms vs the torso cross hair

Also, what is the aim bot looking for? If you say legs, how? I am aware you can set an aimbot to pick up the color of an enemy in CSGO's head but those models aren't custom painted

Also if you want to see real aim bot, go do a captcha, the 4 picture captcha is tracking your mouse movement, as someone who has seen how aim bots work, they aren't slow, you can dial them down to a smoother movement but why? To give you a handicap? You don't need it if he can't aim even with your claim

If the guy is cycling arms and legs, why? He doesn't hit any of them 90% of the time

I have been in this game since 2011, I've seen the aim bots come and go, so unless you're making your own this is just not happening because most scrubs get aimbots off forum/blackmarket sites and cannot make their own


"any time I lose you're cheating" is such a cope, but its even worse when you accuse a guy with a flight stick of cheating

Literally the lateral movement, is just the turn of the stick base not a aimbot targeting arms and legs, no one would want to make an aim bot with 2 arms and 2 legs programmed when a CT or headshot is just objectively better to win