Aimbotting and radar hacking?

[deaconw]

Based on my experience tonight there is an amazing amount of leg-only hit accuracy and the ability for people to see through my ECM and know *exactly* when I am going to land (behind them) and fire there.

[Shotgun]

Escrito originalmente por Maj_Cyric:

I still haven't a clue what a wall hack cheat is

Essentially x-ray vision. These days, and especially in a game like MWO, "wallhacks" have made way for ESP-style cheats (extrasensory perception) that show locations and stats of enemies. Essentially like having someone targeted, except you can see all of the enemies at once.

You don't need traditional-style wallhacks/aimbots in MWO, really. All you need is ESP and something that targets specific components. I think I encountered a bear pilot with the latter last night. He was hitting my center torso with perfect precision at all times when we had LoS to each other, even when I was shaking his screen with my autocannons. Then when I died, he did the same thing to another team member. Then the round ended.

[deaconw]

Escrito originalmente por Shotgun:

Escrito originalmente por Maj_Cyric:

I still haven't a clue what a wall hack cheat is

Essentially x-ray vision. These days, and especially in a game like MWO, "wallhacks" have made way for ESP-style cheats (extrasensory perception) that show locations and stats of enemies. Essentially like having someone targeted, except you can see all of the enemies at once.

You don't need traditional-style wallhacks/aimbots in MWO, really. All you need is ESP and something that targets specific components. I think I encountered a bear pilot with the latter last night. He was hitting my center torso with perfect precision at all times when we had LoS to each other, even when I was shaking his screen with my autocannons. Then when I died, he did the same thing to another team member. Then the round ended.

Standby to be attacked by the "there are no hacks git gud" crowd for your non-naive level-headed perspective...

[Shotgun]

Escrito originalmente por deaconw:

Standby to be attacked by the "there are no hacks git gud" crowd for your non-naive level-headed perspective...

But unlike most others in the same boat, I could, I don't know...write them a hack just to prove them wrong. A triggerbot would be ridiculously easy to make because all you'd need is simple OCR to keep the crosshair pointed at the center of the targeting reticle. You'd literally only be limited by line of sight and your turning speed from placing constant center-mass hits. They wouldn't even be able to detect it. It would have to be a judgement call after watching many recordings, and that favors the hacker, because companies dislike banning for false positives.

[Tuprewm]

Hmm... About the wall-hack X-Ray vision cheat... It's not just hackers that can perform this. In some instances I have clipped through walls because of graphical issues.

[WTF is Namek]

BAP, seismic, counter ECM and even taking damage from a PPC (briefly) will all affect the performance of your own ECM. Expect anything and everything. Always assume every enemy carries both SS and R-Dep. it feels more rewarding to identify when a mech doesnt have R-dep and it is easy to tell if they do. As for seismic, as handy as it is, headphones that compliment bass frequencies will save you that module spot because you will physically feel their footsteps from the audio. You don't need a pair of Beats, I use a G930. especially if your situational awareness is top notch you shouldn't need seismic. If your SS picks up an Oxide.. its already too late for you. SS makes you lazy/ rusty in that regard.

[Maj_Cyric]

Oh yeah.... i love my Sades SA-903 gaming headset... the Bass is SOOOooo Rich... Hardstyle music also sounds so great in 7.1 surround sound... I just wished MWO supported it.. But I can still I can hear a mech and know from where it is from over 100m out and if it is comming closer or moving away... and the Deeper the thump thump sound the heavier the class it is...

I've yet to use or even buy the SS Mech mod... Never felt the need for it... with my headset and playstyle it's like i'm using the Gundam Zero System, fully aware of everything around me...

[Dakota]

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Escrito originalmente por Maj_Cyric:

I still haven't a clue what a wall hack cheat is

Essentially x-ray vision. These days, and especially in a game like MWO, "wallhacks" have made way for ESP-style cheats (extrasensory perception) that show locations and stats of enemies. Essentially like having someone targeted, except you can see all of the enemies at once.

You don't need traditional-style wallhacks/aimbots in MWO, really. All you need is ESP and something that targets specific components. I think I encountered a bear pilot with the latter last night. He was hitting my center torso with perfect precision at all times when we had LoS to each other, even when I was shaking his screen with my autocannons. Then when I died, he did the same thing to another team member. Then the round ended.

Issue with a situation like this is that a player not using hacks can also commonly do this. Since screenshake doesn't actually effect your aim at all physically a lot of experienced players just keep aiming normally and firing at enemy CT, especially against a player who is shaking their screen with autocannons, meaning that player would have to be in a position where they both can get clear shots on each other's CT.

Even I've been able to focus on specific enemies when I'm trying to make a last stand. For example being in my Banshee taking out the enemy Banshee while his remaining team members are raining on me with LRMs, hitting me with autocannons, and the enemy Banshee was twisting. All I really had to do was focus on what I wanted to hit, tune out the interference, and fire. I died, but only right after he did.

[Nightmare1]

The problem that makes wall hacks a bit harder to detect, is the fact that PGI's graphics are often wonky. I can't count the number of times I have been on Tourmaline, Alpine, or Polar, saw a Mech, and fired, only to have an invisible hill eat all the shots. I stride another 100 meters forward and the hill appears as if it's out of a pop-up book. If someone is spectating a pilot who is experiencing this glitch, then it can appear to be a wall hack when it actually isn't.

That being said, I've seen two wall hacks in-game in the last two years, so I can't really say that it's an epidemic.

[Flippy]

Escrito originalmente por Chimera:

Escrito originalmente por Empyrrean:

It's been confirmed that there is a cheat program for this game that gives autoaim and wall hack, and it's updated regularly. Once it started catching on and people started complaining, PGI did a banwave not too long ago purely for damage control. The big spenders weren't touched though, for obvious reasons.

Now it's entirely possible deacon was picked up on seismic instead, but we don't know the exact placement or distance in the engagement to judge, and I'd imagine he's had enough experience with the game to be aware of seismic.

Thing is, the amount of hackers in this game is pretty tiny. Even ignoring Russ Bullock's claim of a fraction of 1%, I have only once or twice seen anything that could likely be hacking.

There are many very good players in this game, more often than not people getting good hits or having situational awareness are simply that; good players, not hackers.

More often than not if a player thinks someone is hacking. They are.

More often than not, if a player comes to the forums complaining about it, they will get trolled by really bads saying hackers are just good players..

Bottom line, use the complaint button in game often and when ever it seems like its proper to do. The cheats do get banned and it isnt very common because of that. Even a very low percentage of cheats can ruin a large percentage of matches. It sucks but consider it good practice for legit players and let the trash be taken out in due time.

[deaconw]

Escrito originalmente por Flippy:

Escrito originalmente por Chimera:

Thing is, the amount of hackers in this game is pretty tiny. Even ignoring Russ Bullock's claim of a fraction of 1%, I have only once or twice seen anything that could likely be hacking.

There are many very good players in this game, more often than not people getting good hits or having situational awareness are simply that; good players, not hackers.

More often than not if a player thinks someone is hacking. They are.

More often than not, if a player comes to the forums complaining about it, they will get trolled by really bads saying hackers are just good players..

Bottom line, use the complaint button in game often and when ever it seems like its proper to do. The cheats do get banned and it isnt very common because of that. Even a very low percentage of cheats can ruin a large percentage of matches. It sucks but consider it good practice for legit players and let the trash be taken out in due time.

Stop making sense. It'll upset the e-peeners...

[Maj_Cyric]

Escrito originalmente por Flippy:

More often than not if a player thinks someone is hacking. They are.

Ot they are paranoid, and fail to understand the game mechanics...

[Nightmare1]

Cray "Hack!" and lose the dogs of paranoia.

Hacking happens, but the instances of it are few and far between.

[deaconw]

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Escrito originalmente por Maj_Cyric:

I still haven't a clue what a wall hack cheat is

...detailed but probably unnecesary explanation...

In my experieince, when someone makes a unbelievable statement like that, it typically means they have tried them all and are probably using the best one they could find right now. How could someone who has been online gaming more than 2 weeks in FPS shooters not know that wall hacks exist?

[deaconw]

I thought this video to be relevant (and amusing) to the discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4&index=100&list=LLFgT6LgQXulZxp6IAPqysxQ

[deaconw]

This is the video that convinced me in was probably more prevalent than previously thought. You can safely ignore Soy's ramblings and just watch minutes 19-27. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imc_hGMXG1g#t=672

The ban hammers did come (except for the big spenders that were caught, from what I understand - stay classy, PGI!) but there is nothing that is stopping current players from using this(although, I do agree with Nightmare1, the percentage is probably low...then again, lots of alt accounts in the quick queue...). Which is why what Flippy said makes sense....for any online game.

TLDR: Don't be naive about the existance of online cheating.