BANNED

[☢TangoLikePlanet☢]

So...uh i was banned for i guess saying to another guy that the crusades was a defensive war...is there any way to appeal this because ive but a good bit of time and money into this game and i wasn't even given a warning to stop or anything? here is the message i got in my email:

"Hello,

We have received reports about your in-game conduct concerning actions that are viewed as detrimental to other player’s and the general gameplay experience. The specific offense is/are:

Harassment/Defamation/Insults/Toxicity/Non-Constructive Behavior
Consistent and repetitive unsportsmanlike conduct is subject to moderation action if the behavior is determined to contribute toward a general pattern of toxicity. Offensive language, harassment, defamation, insults, misrepresentation, and generally toxic or otherwise non-constructive behaviour is prohibited by the Code of Conduct.

After a period of evaluation we have banned your account indefinitely. This decision is not open for reversal or appeal. Your forums access has similarly been revoked.
Any purchases you might have made that have already been delivered, whether partially or in in their entirety, will neither be refunded nor transferred to another account. Any purchases of undelivered content that are still in pre-order status will be refunded.

If we find that you have created a new account to circumvent our permanent ban, we reserve the right to ban that account, and any other accounts under your ownership, without any warning or notice.
This issue is now considered to be closed. No responses should be expected from any replies or appeals to this ban notice.

Piranha Games"
Personially this is a bit harsh for using some "strong laungage" especially since i did spend money on their game that is otherwise "free to play".

[Aino]

One thing to remember... This is a video game. This is internet. This is an international medium where people from all around gather. This is NOT the USA.

So, cut the political crap and realize that your personal views on political matters both present and past don't matter buggerall on the internet. So next time try to refrain from talking controversy that is, in fact, not allowed.

Messaggio originale di ☢TangoLikePlanet☢:

where i used corse laungage was when i was talking about the most recent terrorist attacks and i said that the terrorist attack was carried out by muslims not by anybody in western culture, and then someone compared the terrorist to christians and i said "well christians dont kill gay people in their countrys" and he brought up the crusades and how the "mean christians killed the peaceful muslims" i told him the truth about the crusades and how they were primarily defensive wars, i told him the ones who carried out these attacks were muslims not "your average guy who calls you "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in the hallways of your local highschool" , that being said i doubt he got banned for comparing christians to terrorist, but i most certianly got bainned for saying they aren't...

Also, this sounds a LOT more like you attacking Muslims than simply saying Christians are not Terrorists. Specifically...

Messaggio originale di ☢TangoLikePlanet☢:

i said that the terrorist attack was carried out by muslims not by anybody in western culture

That is already treading on very thin ice there. I like how you say Muslims, not Terrorists. And given what you may not be telling us about other potential interactions...? Well, mate. Next time keep your views to yourself. But I'm rather convinced this was not your first bit of misconduct, and the only way to get banned with no warning would be if you had common complaints against you.

[Shadow of the SPQR]

Messaggio originale di smokytehbear:

If you feel you have not violated the ToS and CoC you agreed to when you installed, bring it up to PGI. It's technically criminal of them to ban you without refund if you actually haven't done anything wrong. If you did in fact do something wrong and somehow manage to sway the court to your side anyway, no worries really because I'm sure this will happen again if that's really who you are underneath.

I'm pretty sure PGI has pulled the same crap about "we can do whatever the hell we want with your account" on this game.

As for the thread... Vassago summed it up pretty well.

Still beyond me that it took ya that long to figure out talking about such politics is generally no-no in gaming. Unless it's battlenet...

[MagicMoshii]

well this has been an interesting deviation from the usual b!tch threads. an enjoyable read, all :D

[Illerkayunnybay]

Messaggio originale di ☢TangoLikePlanet☢:

I dont like the fact that THIS WHOLE LEFT WING BIAS HAS NOW INVADED MY VIDEO GAMES, I CAN GUARENTEE YOU THAT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME MY REILIGION (CHRISTIANITY) WAS AKIN TO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS IN ORLANDO DID NOT GET BANNED, ITS THE WHOLE STUPID "HATE SPEECH" THING its just bullcrap tbh im tired of being silenced in every facet of my life and now i cant even let off some steam in a video game chat without reprocussions.

If you wouldn't say it to a stranger standing in line at the grocery store what makes it OK to say in a video game?

As my father used to say "Arguing religion is like playing the tables in vegas: you're just another sucker who is guarenteed to lose in the end." You are also guarenteed to offend somone be it black, lesbian, one armed worshiper of some guy who got nailed to a log or a poligimous monster-truck driving asian left-handed cross-dressing follower of the religion of peace.

[razen_wing]

Can we stop it (and OMG, texts!) and just ask the simple question:

Is the OP telling the truth? and this really was just a perma-ban over "historical lessons?"

Or perhaps it's about an accumulation of reports from his behavior over a longer strength of time (that he does not recall) of harassment and/or threats?

Which is more likely? PGI going full PC mode to censor an innocent guy. Or a lying person that's being f- calling everyone with opposing views that got a large number of reports filed on him?

Which... if there's a lesson here, is that... if you are going to joke and/or make offensive comments, spread them out so not 11 reports is going to file against you for 10 games in a row.

Despite what the warning says, if you (OP) really feel like there's a misunderstanding, call their corporate headquarter. See what evidence they got against you. If all else fail, call your lawyer. If you are right, and they are just a massive PC douche, then have no qualms about suing their pants off. Either way, I don't think you will be playing the game afterward anyhow.

[GarbageCollector]

Messaggio originale di CommodusIV:

Messaggio originale di smokytehbear:

If you feel you have not violated the ToS and CoC you agreed to when you installed, bring it up to PGI. It's technically criminal of them to ban you without refund if you actually haven't done anything wrong. If you did in fact do something wrong and somehow manage to sway the court to your side anyway, no worries really because I'm sure this will happen again if that's really who you are underneath.

I'm pretty sure PGI has pulled the same crap about "we can do whatever the hell we want with your account" on this game.

As for the thread... Vassago summed it up pretty well.

Still beyond me that it took ya that long to figure out talking about such politics is generally no-no in gaming. Unless it's battlenet...

Yeah I imagine they have some decent leeway just due to the size of their client's accounts. They can technically overstep a ban on someone, but if they won't budge when called out on it and no one takes them to court over it, they kinda win. I don't see many people going to court against a company for what they spent ~$100 on.

It sucks and is totally unethical, but it doesn't surprise me if they have or still do toe that line and inch across every so often of what's technically within their power, when it comes to bans.

[☢TangoLikePlanet☢]

Messaggio originale di Illerkayunnybay:

Messaggio originale di ☢TangoLikePlanet☢:

I dont like the fact that THIS WHOLE LEFT WING BIAS HAS NOW INVADED MY VIDEO GAMES, I CAN GUARENTEE YOU THAT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME MY REILIGION (CHRISTIANITY) WAS AKIN TO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS IN ORLANDO DID NOT GET BANNED, ITS THE WHOLE STUPID "HATE SPEECH" THING its just bullcrap tbh im tired of being silenced in every facet of my life and now i cant even let off some steam in a video game chat without reprocussions.

If you wouldn't say it to a stranger standing in line at the grocery store what makes it OK to say in a video game?

As my father used to say "Arguing religion is like playing the tables in vegas: you're just another sucker who is guarenteed to lose in the end." You are also guarenteed to offend somone be it black, lesbian, one armed worshiper of some guy who got nailed to a log or a poligimous monster-truck driving asian left-handed cross-dressing follower of the religion of peace.

thats the thing i would say it to a stranger in a grocery store...

[ScrapIron Prime]

They're not overstepping anything, really. We all signed an End User License Agreement and we accept it's terms every time we log in. They have every right to tell us to get lost for even slight things, they just don't because that harms their revenue stream.

An indefinite ban is handed out only in the case of preventing other players from quitting over a perceived abusive player, and it's not something they do lightly. It's a choice of reducing the player base by 1 or risk reducing the player base by more than 1.

[otherguy]

Also friend keep in mind the devs are Canadian not American I am Canadian. If I go Downtown winnipeg at lunch time and threw a rock it would bounce off 5 different nationalities. We are a very multicultural country and tend as a whole to have very dim views on racist comments. There is a conflict there I understand, but I have said there are no real "canadians" we are all just a bunch of imigrants, some like myself perhaps a generation or two removed but...

So making comments on evil muslims right after 50 people got killed by some psychopath who had no legitimate ties to any Islamic group, terrorist or otherwise, might have been tossing gasoline onto a fire.

Everyone in the world seems to think that we as a nation tend to be soft and easy going. This is true to an extent, however check history and ask any person or nation that has ever backed us into a corner what happens. That soft easy going exterior disappears really really fast.

However I think here that there just might have been a bit more going on. Oh and yes as a paying customer generally you might get a little more leeway with some groups, but when your are driving away other paying customers.

[Blowfeld]

Well,

sorry to hear that you have been banned, but usually that means that you have been reported for toxic behaviour in many cases, not just the recent situation that comes to your mind.

If you feel like that is not the case, write to the company, but be prepared that they take a stance and keep that account banned.

[☢TangoLikePlanet☢]

Messaggio originale di otherguy:

Also friend keep in mind the devs are Canadian not American I am Canadian. If I go Downtown winnipeg at lunch time and threw a rock it would bounce off 5 different nationalities. We are a very multicultural country and tend as a whole to have very dim views on racist comments. There is a conflict there I understand, but I have said there are no real "canadians" we are all just a bunch of imigrants, some like myself perhaps a generation or two removed but...

So making comments on evil muslims right after 50 people got killed by some psychopath who had no legitimate ties to any Islamic group, terrorist or otherwise, might have been tossing gasoline onto a fire.

Everyone in the world seems to think that we as a nation tend to be soft and easy going. This is true to an extent, however check history and ask any person or nation that has ever backed us into a corner what happens. That soft easy going exterior disappears really really fast.

However I think here that there just might have been a bit more going on. Oh and yes as a paying customer generally you might get a little more leeway with some groups, but when your are driving away other paying customers.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

[GarbageCollector]

Messaggio originale di ScrapIron Prime:

They're not overstepping anything, really. We all signed an End User License Agreement and we accept it's terms every time we log in. They have every right to tell us to get lost for even slight things, they just don't because that harms their revenue stream.

An indefinite ban is handed out only in the case of preventing other players from quitting over a perceived abusive player, and it's not something they do lightly. It's a choice of reducing the player base by 1 or risk reducing the player base by more than 1.

I totally agree in principle. I'm just saying it's legally required for PGI to have included in that EULA something that this guy violated. Not saying he did or didn't, I'm just throwing out the hypothetical that if some company just banned someone without refund on a whim, there could easily be a court case. If he paid for services and agreed to terms he upheld, they can't just ban him for no reason.

It's just the cynicism in me that says that maybe this might have happened, and people have just never taken them to court over it because it's not a big deal. Total speculation though, I'm really just rambling.

Messaggio originale di ☢TangoLikePlanet☢:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

Dude. Have you learned nothing? Knock if off. Seriously. You aren't doing yourself any favors.

[otherguy]

Okay I will not get into a debate so I will answer once. Yes he pledged allegiance to ISIS, On the phone to 911. Unless ISIS runs the 911 service in the USA this is not a legitimate connection.

I could (if I were completely nuts) go out tommorrow and commit some insane attrocity and claim my allegiance to some christian or american institution on the phone or anywhere else. This would not constitute a connection this would be an insane person trying to use another organization to give legitimacy to thier insanity.

There have been crazies around for as long as I can remember, McDonalds, Schools, public events, someone even shot up an amish school.

Stop legitimizing psychopaths, stop giving them power by linking them to something bigger. Treat them as exactly what they are, pathetic lost disenfranchised people that somehow we missed, people who should have been helped or jailed long ago, not made into some sort of reverse hero.

By linking this loser to something bigger you are making him more than he was. We should be downplaying this person. In reality nothing about the killers should ever even be mentioned, just only that some psychopath killed people. Then you can focus on the victims and maybe spend the airtime on thier stories.

As long as people are willing to elevate nutcases like this it will keep happening and they will be heroes to the other psychos.

[☢TangoLikePlanet☢]

Messaggio originale di otherguy:

Okay I will not get into a debate so I will answer once. Yes he pledged allegiance to ISIS, On the phone to 911. Unless ISIS runs the 911 service in the USA this is not a legitimate connection.

I could (if I were completely nuts) go out tommorrow and commit some insane attrocity and claim my allegiance to some christian or american institution on the phone or anywhere else. This would not constitute a connection this would be an insane person trying to use another organization to give legitimacy to thier insanity.

There have been crazies around for as long as I can remember, McDonalds, Schools, public events, someone even shot up an amish school.

Stop legitimizing psychopaths, stop giving them power by linking them to something bigger. Treat them as exactly what they are, pathetic lost disenfranchised people that somehow we missed, people who should have been helped or jailed long ago, not made into some sort of reverse hero.

By linking this loser to something bigger you are making him more than he was. We should be downplaying this person. In reality nothing about the killers should ever even be mentioned, just only that some psychopath killed people. Then you can focus on the victims and maybe spend the airtime on thier stories.

As long as people are willing to elevate nutcases like this it will keep happening and they will be heroes to the other psychos.

Im not talking about psycopaths, im not talking about homophobia, im not talking about anything other than the FACT that this man was a muslim, one who was not a part of western culture, therefore his actions dont reflect on western culture , they reflect on eastern culture, and everybody and their brother are looking at the masscre and then pointing their fingers at the wrong entites, fact has it THIS MAN PLEDGED HIS ALLEGENCE TO ISIS, HE IS MUSLIM ,ISIS IS A MUSLIM EXTREMEIST GROUP SO STOP LOOKING AT THE PROBLEM AS IT BEING "homophobia", or "lack of gun control" and start looking at the real problem... are you trying to tell me that this man had nothing to do with isis , you realize you are defending a terrorist organization , right? ISIS just called for jihad and go figure there have been like 4 terroist attacks this week between paris,orlando, that walmart in arizona, and whatever happened in virginia, thats not a coincidence. every one of those attacks has been linked to the muslim faith, and isis. if you dont understand the point im making i dont know what to tell you, it has nothing to do with legitimizing psychopaths its not like i said "you know what, they had it comming to them" He's not psychotic he is victim to a brain cancer called radical islam.

[VonWolfman]

I'm just glad they are banning people, always wondered if they did. About time.