Help on a raven build

[Shadowdrake]

Hi guys, so like a week ago, I had two er large lasers on this baby, but it was really underwhelming, so I took a couple weapons today that I owned and slapped them on and was wondering if it was a good build for a Raven 4X, and if not, then what is a good build for one that I can get high damage with? And yes, I do know I have to get an XL 270/275 once I have 4.4 mil credits.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1414548335

Thank you!

[Shadow of the SPQR]

2 ERLLs is actually a pretty well balanced build, cohesive, long range poking (something the raven does well) and very good in the right hands. What you've made now is scattered, with low cohesiveness (harder to play to each weapon's strengths and thus making you less useful) scatter without the merits (just one lbx 5 I wouldn't call very useful by itself), the SRM 2 is virtually useless and a random addition in light of other weapons present, the single heat sinks are absolutely in dire need of being turned into double heat sinks before you do anything here, and preferably you get at bare minimum a light XL engine, preferably just an XL engine since your center is probably what will usually be drilled out first anyways. You need speed. You don't have speed. But you'll also need buckets of money before that build sees viability in my mind.

Ravens are not mechs to seek out the best damage. They're skirmishers. As such, if you're high damage hunting, I think you simply have the wrong mech, because the Raven's forte is to skirmish and not get boiled down in combat where it takes more than a few hits.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

was wondering if it was a good build for a Raven 4X, and if not, then what is a good build for one that I can get high damage with?

Good Build:
RVN-4X[mwo.smurfy-net.de]


As for your build. First thing you need to do is get Double Heatsinks and then please either use medium lasers or ER medium lasers... but not both, unless there is some inherent benefit where you want to have just one of them with longer range.

Keep weapon ranges in mind. A medium laser has a range of 250m... yes you can hit stuff up to 500meter with it, but it will do progressively less damage beyond 250meter. An ER medium laser has a range of 360meter. This means you will loose about 1 or so damage on that regular medium laser if you fired it with that ER medium at its optimal range. So please, when you build your mechs.. pay attention to weapon ranges and try to synch them up so you have an idea at what range you want to engage your enemy.

Don't be that guy that stands there and fires their 6 medium lasers at an enemy 490 meter away and thinks they do big damage with it, just because the crosshair lit up.

You also do not have enough ammo for the LBx5... at a minimum you need 2,5t per Ballistic (with exception of MGs), if you only have a single one of them you want 3tons. Otherwise you are likely going to run out of ammo.

The 4x is quirked for Missiles and Energy, so sticking that LBx5 onto it is a bit of a waste. You could also consider something along these lines: RVN-4X[mwo.smurfy-net.de] but i have no idea how good that would be. I do have used the one above myself in 1000 damage games, so i know you can get big damage numbers with it (admittedly back then we only had regular MG)

[Dakota]

I definitely wouldn't take that build into a fight, its very low damage, very low DPS, very low speed, low ammo, and its even still running single heatsinks. There's nothing really going for it.

If you want a brawler then this sorta works decently: https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=35&l=c47791ca1da1a8e9260092b379faa7a661e1e44b

but using 2 ERLL and sticking to long range and poking with that super high mounted arm is generally all ravens do since other light mechs tend to do a bit better at close range while Raven's great at long.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

was wondering if it was a good build for a Raven 4X, and if not, then what is a good build for one that I can get high damage with?

Good Build:
RVN-4X[mwo.smurfy-net.de]


As for your build. First thing you need to do is get Double Heatsinks and then please either use medium lasers or ER medium lasers... but not both, unless there is some inherent benefit where you want to have just one of them with longer range.

Keep weapon ranges in mind. A medium laser has a range of 250m... yes you can hit stuff up to 500meter with it, but it will do progressively less damage beyond 250meter. An ER medium laser has a range of 360meter. This means you will loose about 1 or so damage on that regular medium laser if you fired it with that ER medium at its optimal range. So please, when you build your mechs.. pay attention to weapon ranges and try to synch them up so you have an idea at what range you want to engage your enemy.

Don't be that guy that stands there and fires their 6 medium lasers at an enemy 490 meter away and thinks they do big damage with it, just because the crosshair lit up.

You also do not have enough ammo for the LBx5... at a minimum you need 2,5t per Ballistic (with exception of MGs), if you only have a single one of them you want 3tons. Otherwise you are likely going to run out of ammo.

The 4x is quirked for Missiles and Energy, so sticking that LBx5 onto it is a bit of a waste. You could also consider something along these lines: RVN-4X[mwo.smurfy-net.de] but i have no idea how good that would be. I do have used the one above myself in 1000 damage games, so i know you can get big damage numbers with it (admittedly back then we only had regular MG)

only thing im not a fan of is ammo in the legs, otherwise yeah solid setup, and when you get a XL 275, that heatsink can go in the engine at the cost of either half a stack of LMG ammo or a JJ.

i miss the days of the AC 20 ravens.

[Shadowdrake]

Thanks for all the help guys, I'm def saving up for an XL 275 like I said in my top post, you guys don't have to worry about that. I'll definitely base my raven off those builds.

[Xilo The Odd]

yeah in the old days before quirks, it wasnt uncommon to see one of those 4X ravens running around with an AC 20 and maybe 2 stacks of ammo. their goal, get on butts and blow them away. they were very slow though so they stuck to assaults.

if you wanted to, you could probably replace the SMR6 with an MRM 10 if you wanted to use one of those to stretch out your damage or crit seek, but at base vaule that SRM6 does have more damage output than a MRM 10.

[JC]

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

Thanks for all the help guys, I'm def saving up for an XL 275 like I said in my top post, you guys don't have to worry about that. I'll definitely base my raven off those builds.

I would not get a XL275,, grab the 265, its a better all around engine used in far more builds. (i know the raven caps at 275 for the 4X, but still)

the reason being there are only a couple of mechs that have a 275 cap, adn the 280 is the same weight and used in tons more mechs. the 265 on the other hand also works in lots of other builds, like cent AH, catapults, jaggers, all sorts of other mechs that are still using XL's over the LFE. that extra ton really helps squeeze in a bit more.




Other wise the raven 4X, XL265, 2 ERLL's, 3 LMG's, and then either half ton of machine gun ammo with 4 JJ's or 1 ton and 3. (put the ammo in the head) the LMG's are for crit seaking on open armor later in the match.

If you want a faster Raven with the ERLL set up, grab the 3L and go with an XL280-300, but it has no JJ's for better sniping angles, but it does have ECM.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by JC:

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

Thanks for all the help guys, I'm def saving up for an XL 275 like I said in my top post, you guys don't have to worry about that. I'll definitely base my raven off those builds.

I would not get a XL275,, grab the 265, its a better all around engine used in far more builds. (i know the raven caps at 275 for the 4X, but still)

the reason being there are only a couple of mechs that have a 275 cap, adn the 280 is the same weight and used in tons more mechs. the 265 on the other hand also works in lots of other builds, like cent AH, catapults, jaggers, all sorts of other mechs that are still using XL's over the LFE. that extra ton really helps squeeze in a bit more.

I think in my 4X i run the 2 ER lasers, and some extra JJ's, though it's been so long i forget it i swapped in 2 LMG's and a half ton. Either way the engine is a bit more flexible. If you want a faster Raven with the ERLL set up, grab the 3L and go with an XL280-300

oh derp why didnt i think of this im usually the guy to suggest that. xD

that said i'd just settle for not buying the 275XL engine. the 270XL should be fine.

[Shadowdrake]

Originally posted by JC:

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

Thanks for all the help guys, I'm def saving up for an XL 275 like I said in my top post, you guys don't have to worry about that. I'll definitely base my raven off those builds.

I would not get a XL275,, grab the 265, its a better all around engine used in far more builds. (i know the raven caps at 275 for the 4X, but still)

the reason being there are only a couple of mechs that have a 275 cap, adn the 280 is the same weight and used in tons more mechs. the 265 on the other hand also works in lots of other builds, like cent AH, catapults, jaggers, all sorts of other mechs that are still using XL's over the LFE. that extra ton really helps squeeze in a bit more.

I think in my 4X i run the 2 ER lasers, and some extra JJ's, though it's been so long i forget it i swapped in 2 LMG's and a half ton. Either way the engine is a bit more flexible. If you want a faster Raven with the ERLL set up, grab the 3L and go with an XL280-300

The max engine for a raven is XL 275 iirc

[Shadowdrake]

265 sounds good, I'll check it out then

[JC]

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

The max engine for a raven is XL 275 iirc

the 4X and 2X has a max of 275, the 3L is 295

[Shadowdrake]

Originally posted by JC:

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

The max engine for a raven is XL 275 iirc

the 4X and 2X has a max of 275, the 3L is 300 or is it 295?

Ah ok, yeah I'm running the 4X, I guess I'm not as experienced in this game, I didn't realize different variants had different engine caps. Apologies

[JC]

Originally posted by Shadowdrake:

Ah ok, yeah I'm running the 4X, I guess I'm not as experienced in this game, I didn't realize different variants had different engine caps. Apologies

No worries, there is a ton of info needed to know about this game.. One of the reasons why some give up after a few drops, they are overwhealmed.


in case you don't know about this site, it has a nice spread sheat for all hardpoints, engine caps, quirks, and make builds before you buy anything.

https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/

[Dakota]

I'd go for 275, fits an extra heatsink in it to save on slots. Though I go with lfe engines in things over 40 tons.

[JC]

Originally posted by ///><Ж_ɆĐǤɆŁØɌĐ_Ж><\\\:

I'd go for 275, fits an extra heatsink in it to save on slots. Though I go with lfe engines in things over 40 tons.

Slots is not an issue on this mech.. but about the XL-275, everything i would of used it in got swapped to LFE's anyway. That is why i like the flexiblity of the 265. I think i have 5 of them at this point.. Need a few more :)