How Bad Is the Cheating?

[VG_Elder]

I love MW games and it's been awhile since I've played one. Granted I will get my ass handed to me for a good while before I get back into the swing of learning how to setup and use the Mechs but if it's overwhelmed with cheaters, then all the effort feels wasted.

[Dyex]

What kind of cheating are we talking about?

We're talking a cheat engine or we talking about editing gamefile to have an edge in game?

Does tweeking color or changing audio cue to be more obvious advantageous enough to be considered cheating?

Does writing firing scripts count as well?

[Aw Shucks]

Publicado originalmente por Dyex:

What kind of cheating are we talking about?

We're talking a cheat engine or we talking about editing gamefile to have an edge in game?

Does tweeking color or changing audio cue to be more obvious advantageous enough to be considered cheating?

Does writing firing scripts count as well?

That thing people were doing with gpu software to remove visual impediments like fog would definitely qualify, but it's not like you could ever get them dead to rights unless they were dumb enough to out themselves.

The HUD mods probably fall under this category as well, but it's basically QoL given how crap base HUD options are.
Like, this is effectively reimagining QoL as cheating. It's absolutely classified as such under ToS. Remember the colorblind mod kerfuffle?

[talemore]

Removing fog is not a cheat in the game because every player has the thermal to see through the fog.

What is cheating is when a bot target the parts of the mech with ammo. no matter if you have a gauss, all you need the ammo and the bot target the component. A player would know that gauss ammo won't explode, the bot is blind.

What is a cheat is to see beyond the LOD because weapons like Gauss has a range who is further than the LOD. They're not able to make the shot because they can't see the mech and they can't see it no matter if they scout the mech.

Removing fog is not a cheat because using thermal should by then be considered cheating by removing colors and put a black and white tint who let you see contrasts.

Tools who you're given and then refuse to use them is a choice,

[cyäegha]

that logic doesn't really track when using thermal vision has downsides, namely that you reduce everything into indistinct, white blobs that makes accurately targetting specific components more difficult, and your effective line-of-sight is also reduced by a commensurate amount
the "seeing through smoke" aspect of thermal vision also makes you unable to see strikes, enemy or friendly

removing fog is just as much of an advantage as removing foliage is, even if knee-capping graphical fidelity isn't strictly, technically cheating
having in-game tools that provide 50% of the same effect with 100% more downsides isn't really a valid argument in its favour

Publicado originalmente por talemore:

What is cheating is when a bot target the parts of the mech with ammo. no matter if you have a gauss, all you need the ammo and the bot target the component. A player would know that gauss ammo won't explode, the bot is blind.

i'm 99.99% sure that there isn't a single extant aimbot program that can do anything more complex than tracking a single, specific component, and i'm doubtful that it would be able to remotely extrapolate the location of which component the 'mech it's hovering over is storing its ammunition bins in
just because build codes can be made public doesn't mean that said information is distributed server-side to the other players in that match for a hypothetical aimbot to comb through

Publicado originalmente por talemore:

What is a cheat is to see beyond the LOD because weapons like Gauss has a range who is further than the LOD.

... and how do you propose this is supposed to work?
setting aside that i'm reasonably sure that there's no cut-off point at which the game outright stops rendering enemy 'mechs that aren't being culled by an occlusion plane, only that the minimum LoD renders them as - again - indistinct blobs, the only way in which this would work is if you disable LoD staging in its entirety, which will probably result in unplayably bad performance, especially on cryjank

we literally have a documented history of aimbot usage with video proof floating about, and you still feel the need to make up hypotheticals to justify why tampering with game settings to disable visual obstructions isn't - by that logic - "cheating?"

[noviastar]

Ive had enough battles to think it doesn't matter. If you randomly get on a team of potatoes your team looses. If you fought hard yay on you. Ive had games where i went full Potato. Other games I carried so hard we still lost. Talking 1200 Dam in a centurion or something.

The idea that if you shoot you do damage is nice. not much a cheater can do to stop that.

Just stick with the death ball and shoot them all. this is not a game of tactics.

One other thought is this game and its infinite player builds. some being OP others being a hot mess (literately). You could end up with a team of ok players with marshmallow mechs. you cant give the other 5 year olds OP builds. or have them operate them well.

[Process_]

Publicado originalmente por VG_Elder:

I love MW games and it's been awhile since I've played one. Granted I will get my ass handed to me for a good while before I get back into the swing of learning how to setup and use the Mechs but if it's overwhelmed with cheaters, then all the effort feels wasted.

i would generally say it probably exists, but it isn't common. for one thing, the player base tends to be older, and to my understanding that statistically means less cheating in games. i've never witnessed an egregious breach of game systems that made me suspect cheating. besides... why bother, when you can LRM from a Km away from battle and yell for other people to target lock for you? to be clear, everyone should lock their targets for a number of reasons, i'm just saying certain styles of play negate the necessity of using aim bots, anybody can more or less use sensors through walls via shared sensor information across the team, and i have yet to see mechs passing through solid structures, or flying without jump jets.
also, PGI rewards players with free stuff almost every month, which is strangely the most successful model of f2p i've ever seen, and somehow results in me wanting to spend money in the game even though i don't need to. it's a fantastic game, still getting new updates almost 10 years after release, with a generally non-toxic community (compared to any pvp platform i've played). though there is certainly a sense of "old man" player base, which is fine by me. i'm 41 next month.

[salamatmahal]

I've died to LRMs perhaps one percent of games in the last thousand games. Most recently, it was Bearclaw and he was live streaming and he was clearly not cheating and I could no longer break LOS from him and his allies as one of the last two mechs alive on my team against the remaining ten mechs on his team.

If there's a terrible horrible LRM cheat being used in QP, it is not obvious to me.

[Deviantdemigodz]

It is not new this issue has plagued MWO since 2 years after it came out its called wire frame maps it was part of a trainer that was made back in the day for MWO. What it does is basically take away any terrain to expose all players on the map it disregards LOS and lets the user know where everyone is no-matter what your hiding behind they can see you and the minute you come out of cover they just target you.

This issue was proven and given to the Devs at MWO multiple times but it never went away.
There are a few others PGI never addressed but there not used much and by only a few players in comp play which is a joke really LOL E_SPORT anyone?

[Ishan451]

Edit: Wow that was fast, it appears the post and video i replied to have been removed by a mod /edit

Publicado originalmente por TheCallandor:

I will just leave this little video here for you all to look at... This guy made he his own hack for MWO... Just watch to till he gets the LRM spamming...

Nobody ever said there were no cheats in MWO. If the website is still active, then congratulations you just dissiminated a Cheat.

Publicado originalmente por TheCallandor:

ever wonder about those times when it doen't seem to matter that your out of LOS and your still getting LRM'ed to death......

Not really, no. Because usually i do not just break LOS, but actually use cover? LRM are really not an issue, if you just move with having cover for a quick retreat into said cover, in mind...

[♂BOSS♂OF♂THIS♂GYM♂]

I have about 1000 hours and have never seen a blatant cheater. MWO doesn't really lend itself well to cheaters since the time to kill is so long and enemy positions are usually known well before you start shooting them. The advantages you would get from cheating are much lower than in a game like CS:GO where cheaters can shut out an entire match with instant kills through walls.

There's always the chance that I've run into cheaters and didn't notice, if that's the case they should get a refund.

[sumdumbum]

I think cheating is barely noticable, unless the dude is just cockpitting everyone. That happened to me once years ago. Besides that, Its F2P so they could just make a new acct, and get literally any mech with their cadet bonus while dominating noobs. I doubt theres any money in it for cheat programmers. I know that one of the cheat sites for battlefield doesnt support 2042 anymore cuz theres no munz in it.

[Piderman]

Publicado originalmente por Gigaracist:

There's always the chance that I've run into cheaters and didn't notice, if that's the case they should get a refund.

^this. I think i started with MWO, about half a year before it came to Steam and cheats seemed never to be a thing at all.

[LoRd_D]

Just left a game and was spectating and watch as this guy was whipping around tracking people watched him snap to someone not spotted then back to a different person and so on I was super confused since there was nothing there for him to see..But who knows it may just be a figment of my imagination.

[Aw Shucks]

Publicado originalmente por LoRd_D:

Just left a game and was spectating and watch as this guy was whipping around tracking people watched him snap to someone not spotted then back to a different person and so on I was super confused since there was nothing there for him to see..But who knows it may just be a figment of my imagination.

Please tell me you recorded that. Snapping to enemies you shouldn't even be aware of from sensor pings is a big tell. It MIGHT get handwaved via "map knowledge means you know where they're going to come from" or "VOIP chatter outed the reds" but it's still sus as ♥♥♥♥.

[Sir Gus]

The only case of cheating i have encountered,is dieing by a flamer in 2 secs,
while i was in an Assault mech with no dmg at all on my torso.
In my 200 hours of gameplay,that happened 2 times.