Tips for a Marauder IIC Scorch?

[Helfdane]

Bought me something, a Scorch. Nice looking and a bit more versatile than the Marauder IIC I already have.

Tried a couple of builds, but so far not getting the hang of it yet. Tried the build with 2x U-AC20's, but that's an instant overheat. Tried 2x U-AC10 + 2x ATM12, looks okay, but I get killed before I can fire a rocket. Tried HLL's with AC's, overheating too often (the HLL's get me 70% heat on new system).

Ugh :-)

Any tips for a new noobie? My Marauder IIC is running fairly well, but it's a solid laser boat. Trying to avoid that a bit here ;-)

[Jinete]

The Scorch is considered one of the best assaults in the game. I don't own one myself so these are just builds I've seen off the top of my head.

This build is one heck of a brawler.
SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

This one is more of a second line fire support.
SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

[Ishan451]

SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de] or SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

[Helfdane]

Thanx for the input, running trials now :-)

I do notice that appearing on the battlefield with a Scorch, on also puts a big fat target circle on ones mech. Getting hammered harder than an atlas ;-)

[tutzdes]

Atlas - lower firepower and higher durability, Scorch - higher firepower, lower durability. Guess which one should be be prioritised?

[Helfdane]

Originally posted by tutzdes:

Atlas - lower firepower and higher durability, Scorch - higher firepower, lower durability. Guess which one should be be prioritised?

Just curious, but how does an Atlas carry less firepower than a Scorch? The scorch has 85 tons and the Atlas 100, so I'm curious :-)

[Dracul]

Originally posted by Helfdane:

Originally posted by tutzdes:

Atlas - lower firepower and higher durability, Scorch - higher firepower, lower durability. Guess which one should be be prioritised?

Just curious, but how does an Atlas carry less firepower than a Scorch? The scorch has 85 tons and the Atlas 100, so I'm curious :-)

Atlas is inner sphere tech, marauder IIC is clan tech - clan tech is typically much lighter and compact than the IS counterparts.

[tutzdes]

Originally posted by Helfdane:

Originally posted by tutzdes:

Atlas - lower firepower and higher durability, Scorch - higher firepower, lower durability. Guess which one should be be prioritised?

Just curious, but how does an Atlas carry less firepower than a Scorch? The scorch has 85 tons and the Atlas 100, so I'm curious :-)

Pretty much what Dracul said.

Classic Scorch build is 2xLB20+4x(A)SRM4/6 while using pretty big Clan XL engine. The closest thing to that Atlas canhave is one LB20 + 4xASRM6, which will force it to use STD engine. Clan SRMs have half the weight of their IS counterpart, Clan LB20 takes 2 slots less and 2 tons lighter. Clan Ferro, Endo, Heatsinks all require less slots. So the clan battlemech without fixed equipment can move faster, and carry more big guns. That's why Clan assault battlemechs have very poor agility stats and hardly any quirks. It is for the balance's sake.

[Maddermax]

Originally posted by tutzdes:

Atlas - lower firepower and higher durability, Scorch - higher firepower, lower durability. Guess which one should be be prioritised?

I tend to find the one out the front gets focused more, regardless of load out. It's just the case that most people take the shots they can, rather than prioritizing specific mechs - until they see an open component that is, which people will go for.

Often the reason you may feel focused more often in a scorch though is that the Atlas is massively tougher than the Scorch. 214 CT health compared to 162 on the Scorch, further exacerbated by skill points. Because of that, when you get focused, you feel it's a lot worse while in a scorch, watching your armor get stripped away that much faster and then your components get opened up far more easily, and then the sharks start to circle.

[Helfdane]

Good information folks, thanx!

[Helfdane]

Reviving an old thread, but I can't seem to get the Scorch working for me. I'm either dead on arrival or I can't kill any toon out there. Top dmg done is mostly 200 or less. Running other assaults (fafnir/madcat/etc) I get much better scores. Any tips?

I'm running this build (and this thing runs HOT): https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=499&l=8ec16683f8e817cb6f3734615e31380d70143c05

[Grimmwold -V-]

Originally posted by Helfdane:

Reviving an old thread, but I can't seem to get the Scorch working for me. I'm either dead on arrival or I can't kill any toon out there. Top dmg done is mostly 200 or less. Running other assaults (fafnir/madcat/etc) I get much better scores. Any tips?

I'm running this build (and this thing runs HOT): https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=499&l=8ec16683f8e817cb6f3734615e31380d70143c05

The virtue of SRMs is instant firing of their entire volley. Pop tarts love them. Speedy mechs love them. Mechs with very fast torso twist love them. You are none of the above. While they still represent 48 points of alpha on a moderate cooldown, they do not play to your strengths.

Baradul put up an ATM/UAC10 build today, maybe check it out.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Helfdane:

Any tips?

I'm running this build (and this thing runs HOT): https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=499&l=8ec16683f8e817cb6f3734615e31380d70143c05

The one i had suggested earlier in the thread is faster... and when i fully armor it in smurfy you seem to have 2,3tons of empty space.

I really think you are to slow for using SRMs. 64kph is not fast enough, in my opinion.


With your loadout i would change over to ATMs like this:

SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

Or this:

SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

The ATM6s use a bit more of the psychological effect of chain firing missiles at people. The Dual ATM12 of course hurt a lot more and is more of a dump your load and get out weapon.

Its hard to recommend one over the other as they have identical heat and DPS, although ATM6s have ghost heat when fired all 4 at once... but you can fire 2 of them and follow up with 2 while you land your second shot of the uAC10s.


And since you already have the Artemis system... you could also go this route:

SCORCH[mwo.smurfy-net.de]

But by the sounds of it, with your speed, and given that it doesn't have real quirks, you probably want more of a midrange loadout, if you have problems making the SRM work for you.

[Maddermax]

Baradul did a video on scorch just yesterday with 2xATM12s and 2xUAC10s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoeNgGGtpY

Now, it should be noted that Baradul is a very good player, and he's running both a hot build (and getting shut down or overheating will get you killed) and ATMs (which are a tricky weapon to get the hang of, keeping to the ideal close ranges while not being pushed and under-run, which will get you killed).

However, it's useful to see what it is possible to do with Scorch, and why it has a reputation as a big damage dealer.

[Shadowdrake]

Originally posted by Maddermax:

Baradul did a video on scorch just yesterday with 2xATM12s and 2xUAC10s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoeNgGGtpY

Now, it should be noted that Baradul is a very good player, and he's running both a hot build (and getting shut down or overheating will get you killed) and ATMs (which are a tricky weapon to get the hang of, keeping to the ideal close ranges while not being pushed and under-run, which will get you killed).

However, it's useful to see what it is possible to do with Scorch, and why it has a reputation as a big damage dealer.

inb4 an elitist calls Baradul a terribly average player.

[Helfdane]

Good stuff, and I was indeed pondering the atm's instead of the srm's. the vid cleared a lot as well, thanks!

Gonna try it tonight!