Is rfactor as good as Stock car extreme.?

[Gerrit Doevenz #77]

Hi i have never played rfactor before,i am loving Stock car extreme and think it is the best sim around,Is rfactor really worth it or should i wait until rfactor2 comes to steam,cause for a ten year old game rfactor is a bit over priced...cheers..

[Associat0r]

Stock Car Extreme is based on a slightly updated revision of the rFactor 1 / isiMotor2 engine[imagespaceinc.com], but it takes less fuss to install mods for rFactor 1.
I would suggest to get rFactor 2 since it's vastly improved in every area that counts.
You could just buy it now and you will probably get a free steam key once it comes to Steam anyway.

[Gerrit Doevenz #77]

Thanks for your reply Associat0r,can you tell me a bit about fr2,have you played many sims and how does rf2 match up with the rest of them?.I am from Australia so im a big v8 supercar fan and stockcar extreme just added the unlicensed Holden commodore v8 and it is as good as i expected,they also have all of the v8 supercar tracks as mods..Iracing has been tempting as they have the official licenesed v8 supercar serires,but it seems way overpriced to me and i spend most of my time playing singleplayer anyways,Cheers mate.

[ZME_Matchstick]

I think rF1 is a better buy right now over rF2. the amount of mods for rF1 is crazy and some of them are very well made.If rF1 goes on sale it sweetens the deal as rF2 is $84.99 right now if you want lifetime multiplayer.

[Associat0r]

Originally posted by Je loopt nooit alleen 2015:

Thanks for your reply Associat0r,can you tell me a bit about fr2,have you played many sims and how does rf2 match up with the rest of them?.I am from Australia so im a big v8 supercar fan and stockcar extreme just added the unlicensed Holden commodore v8 and it is as good as i expected,they also have all of the v8 supercar tracks as mods..Iracing has been tempting as they have the official licenesed v8 supercar serires,but it seems way overpriced to me and i spend most of my time playing singleplayer anyways,Cheers mate.

I played most of the major race sims since the early 90's. rFactor 2 is the most complete moddable simracing platform with proper AI and race rule support and also the best physics.

iRacing is good too and they have a good online ranking system, but it doesn't have any AI, nor any day/night cylces or wet weather. Its physics are good, but not as good as rFactor 2, but it has great quality tracks. But iRacing is a closed platform with a monthly subscription and you have to pay for extra content and it doesn't support mods. rFactor 2 comes with default content which is good, but it relies on modders to extend it with extra content.

rFactor 2 already has some nice mods and more are in the works. I think there is some V8SC mod in the works too, but I haven't kept up with it.

Here are some of the rFactor 2 improvements over rFactor 1.

* Realroad rubber being layed down dynamically where you and AI drive and marbles. http://ravsim.com/2012/11/09/unravelling-the-realness-of-the-road/

* Dynamic weather with rain and dynamic drying line

* Chassis flex

* More realistic force feedback

* Physically-based tire model based on first principles, simulating the entire carcass, thread and contact patch, with flatspots, proper heat transfer and tire wear, it's a big step up from its precursor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2zGGUdfrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDyHAoHa1iE
* The best AI in simracing, which are more aware and aggressive, yet disciplined, again a big step up from its precursor. Here are some examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLifcrAuk2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBfbV9KK9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wnW92FD7hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXsUKD475fM
* A standardized, better organized way of installing mods.

* Auto-downloading of mods during multiplayer, which solves the mismatch problem and many more improvements for serious leagues.

* Resume from replay savegame system http://rfactor.net/web/rf2/devscorner/dev-interview-with-terence-groening-about-resume-from-replay-feature/

* Improved wheel to-wheel-collisions

* More realistic graphics, which will keep improving

* Better integrated modding tools

* The sim will keep improving for many years to come, unlike rFactor1
And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[Gerrit Doevenz #77]

Hey thanks Associat0r,It looks like i will be buying this now cause they have just announced it on steam...Exellent info i appreciate your reply.the game looks awesome and cant wait to get racing!!!...Cheers mate.

[BRT Cobra]

not even close stock car extreme is 10x the sim than rafactor 1 and pay noo attention to associat0or he trolls every sim forum spamming rfactor2

[Associat0r]

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

not even close stock car extreme is 10x the sim than rafactor 1

Then explain to me why Reiza recently had to purschase a source code license from ISI (the rFactor / isiMotor devs)[imagespaceinc.com] to be able to extend it further?

[BRT Cobra]

Originally posted by Associat0r:

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

not even close stock car extreme is 10x the sim than rafactor 1

Then explain to me why Reiza recently had to purschase a source code license from ISI (the rFactor / isiMotor devs)[imagespaceinc.com] to be able to extend it further?

they took it and improved it.as you well know.i wont respond to you any more your on every forum spreading the same garbage.even isi has made a thread about you saying that they have no interest in anything you say or post.they are well aware of you spamming rfactor2 all over the place and putting down every other sim and they dont want to be associated with you.
you really should be embarrassed of your recent behaviour in other forums.

[Associat0r]

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

Originally posted by Associat0r:

Then explain to me why Reiza recently had to purschase a source code license from ISI (the rFactor / isiMotor devs)[imagespaceinc.com] to be able to extend it further?

they took it and improved it.as you well know.

With content and plugins like every good rFactor mod is supposed to do. You know rFactor is a modding platform right?

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

i wont respond to you any more your on every forum spreading the same garbage.

You're on an rFactor (a sim you don't even own) forum, making a needless circus. And unlike you, I own all the sims I criticize. I also backed Reiza's indiegogo campaign for $100, I don't think you did. Also you're spreading major disinformation about me and ISI.

[BRT Cobra]

Originally posted by Associat0r:

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

they took it and improved it.as you well know.

With content and plugins like every good rFactor mod is supposed to do. You know rFactor is a modding platform right?

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

i wont respond to you any more your on every forum spreading the same garbage.

You're on an rFactor (a sim you don't even own) forum, making a needless circus. And unlike you, I own all the sims I criticize. I also backed Reiza's indiegogo campaign for $100, I don't think you did. Also you're spreading major disinformation about me an ISI.

yes i do own it i bought it years ago i also own all the other sims and unlike you i have a sim set up and dont just trot around on my kb/m and then claiming the physics are wrong lol the only game i dont own is p-cars because i refunded the garbage.

[Associat0r]

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

yes i do own it i bought it years ago

Then proof it, because it looks like you don't know much about it, considering your claim that SCE is 10x better.

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

i also own all the other sims

I know for a fact that you don't own rFactor 2, and you probably also don't own all the major sims from the 90's.

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

and unlike you i have a sim set up and dont just trot around on my kb/m and then claiming the physics are wrong lol the only game i dont own is p-cars because i refunded the garbage.

You don't even know what my sim set-up is, but if you think that's relevant to one's ability to measure physics, then it proofs that you're not qualified to discuss this subject.

Also, let me give you a reminder[uber.la]

[hexagramme]

Originally posted by Associat0r:

Stock Car Extreme is based on a slightly updated revision of the rFactor 1 / isiMotor2 engine[imagespaceinc.com], but it takes less fuss to install mods for rFactor 1.
I would suggest to get rFactor 2 since it's vastly improved in every area that counts.
You could just buy it now and you will probably get a free steam key once it comes to Steam anyway.

Yeah the better choice at this point is indeed rFactor 2.

SCE feels like rF1 because it basically is rF1, only more neatly packaged. But rF2 is a vast improvement over both of those titles in every area.

[Gerrit Doevenz #77]

Thanks racers..I am going to purchase rf2 when it comes to steam.I have the demo rite now,but im not overly impressed by it,but i know i have to tweak a whole lot of setting to get it rite,like all other sims..Cheers everyone Happy Racing!!!!

[Associat0r]

There is a slight problem with the defaults in the demo.

1) Shortcut in start menu pointing to the wrong startup folder.
2) AC Cobra as default player car.
3) Multi-class AI opponents including Karts selected by default.
4) Kart track selected by default while player and AI cars are selected by default.
5) The track might be too unfamiliar and challenging for a demo.

[marrs]

Originally posted by Associat0r:

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

not even close stock car extreme is 10x the sim than rafactor 1

Then explain to me why Reiza recently had to purschase a source code license from ISI (the rFactor / isiMotor devs)[imagespaceinc.com] to be able to extend it further?

When Reiza Studios originally licensed a binary version of rFactor 1, they started with an evolved version (1.700 to be exact). Stating that it was 10x better than rFactor 1 therefore is a huge overstatement. It was slightly better. They did produce some excellent content for that engine though and their attention to detail probably gained them quite a following.

For them, getting a source license was a logical next step and allowed them to address some smaller issues in the short term and produce a new game that is scheduled for release at the end of 2016.

Full disclosure: I am involved both with Reiza and ISI.