Not NISA

[BeerGrills]

Hell yeah! Hope this means Falcom ceases to work with them altogether.

[ojvdh]

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

Originally posted by Erpy:

Funnily enough these games started their life on PC before being ported over to the handheld later on. So the "these games were always intended for handheld" is blatantly false for this particular franchise.

No, putting a game first on pc means nothing. These games were intended for handheld. Lets say you are correct on that (you're not). The game def flopped on pc. These games didn't find a foot ground until the psp versions. And I'm specifically talking about the sky games going forward. Not the first 3 before this.

Except for the fact that it was the other way around. Xseed first released the psp version which sold very badly and made them double guess continuing the series at all. And it was only after it released on pc that the series took off. This is all very well documented. But hey don't let me so you from believing in a alternative reality where the pc version flopped hard. Meanwhile I will continue playing the pc versions that keep being released without "doing well". Which makes total sense....

[Tori]

I don't really have much of an opinion as of yet, but I feel like what's currently going on is that Falcom is essentially giving out their series to other publishers in order to get stuff released quicker. NISA is rather complicated when it comes to releases as a publisher, but I think that's what's going on. With that said, this is at the end of the day speculation on my end, same goes with everyone making this assumption at this moment.

This decision doesn't really mean that they're automatically ceasing anything related to NISA with any future Trails work or any other Falcom game, but it might be a situation where they're giving the release to other people in order to get them out faster compared to waiting for a couple of years for NISA to release the games to the west.

[RedRiot193]

Originally posted by ojvdh:

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

No, putting a game first on pc means nothing. These games were intended for handheld. Lets say you are correct on that (you're not). The game def flopped on pc. These games didn't find a foot ground until the psp versions. And I'm specifically talking about the sky games going forward. Not the first 3 before this.

Except for the fact that it was the other way around. Xseed first released the psp version which stood very badly and made them double guess continuing the series at all. And it was only after it released on pc that the series took off. This is all very well documented. But hey don't let me so you in believing in a alternative reality where the pc version flopped hard. Meanwhile I will continue playing the pc versions that keep being released without "doing well".

Then maybe do your own research. The game came out on pc first in Japan. Then psp. Xseed published the western version in like 2011-2013. That I'm not surprised flopped. It's still the early days where any japanese game was at a risk and sales were not great in the west unless you were ff. Japan dominated the handheld market for japanese games. Also after the release of sky on psp the pc versions for later entries was delayed and released AFTER the handheld release. I wonder why they'd do that? Maybe higher success?

You keep playing the pc version. I don't care. I'm just stating something factual. PC version sells the least and people care more about localization. Especially nowadays with how localizers have gotten incredibly political in translations.

[ojvdh]

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

Originally posted by ojvdh:

Except for the fact that it was the other way around. Xseed first released the psp version which stood very badly and made them double guess continuing the series at all. And it was only after it released on pc that the series took off. This is all very well documented. But hey don't let me so you in believing in a alternative reality where the pc version flopped hard. Meanwhile I will continue playing the pc versions that keep being released without "doing well".

Then maybe do your own research. The game came out on pc first in Japan. Then psp. Xseed published the western version in like 2011-2013. That I'm not surprised flopped. It's still the early days where any japanese game was at a risk and sales were not great in the west unless you were ff. Japan dominated the handheld market for japanese games. Also after the release of sky on psp the pc versions for later entries was delayed and released AFTER the handheld release. I wonder why they'd do that? Maybe higher success?

You keep playing the pc version. I don't care. I'm just stating something factual. PC version sells the least and people care more about localization. Especially nowadays with how localizers have gotten incredibly political in translations.

Except you did not state facts or read what I said. I never said the game did not release on pc first in japan. I am talking abut western sales which is what we were talking and anyway because the xpc version of these games are soviet all mate by Ph3 and published by western publishers. And it's a fact the Xseed playstation portable version did way worse than pc. You can keep pretending you know everything but I still have to see any sales numbers for the West or any actual proof that the pc version is apparently failing. Something that totally makes sense if we still get these games on pc to this day and now even day one... That is something totally worth doing when it does not sell.

[RedRiot193]

Originally posted by ojvdh:

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

Then maybe do your own research. The game came out on pc first in Japan. Then psp. Xseed published the western version in like 2011-2013. That I'm not surprised flopped. It's still the early days where any japanese game was at a risk and sales were not great in the west unless you were ff. Japan dominated the handheld market for japanese games. Also after the release of sky on psp the pc versions for later entries was delayed and released AFTER the handheld release. I wonder why they'd do that? Maybe higher success?

You keep playing the pc version. I don't care. I'm just stating something factual. PC version sells the least and people care more about localization. Especially nowadays with how localizers have gotten incredibly political in translations.

Except you did not state facts or read what I said. I never said the game did not release on pc first in japan. I am talking abut western sales which is what we were talking and anyway because the xpc version of these games are soviet all mate by Ph3 and published by western publishers. And it's a fact the Xseed playstation portable version did way worse than pc. You can keep pretending you know everything but I still have to see any sales numbers for the West or any actual proof that the pc version is apparently failing. Something that totally makes sense if we still get these games on pc to this day and now even day one... That is something totally worth doing when it does not sell.

Dude I literally explained this. I literally said those were the early days for this series. No duh it wasn't going to sell well here. You think sky sold more on pc in the west than on handheld? Well lets see here. Since you're so smart. Psp version came out in japan 2006. When did the pc version come to the west same as psp? In 2011? when the psp was being fazed out? The west enjoyed games like FF and pokemon. Why play sky when you have access to those games? The real mains stream stuff. Sky wasn't even on anybodies radar on pc or psp here.

You could keep living in your fantasy land if you somehow think this series sells more on pc in the west than switch and playstation.

[ojvdh]

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

Originally posted by ojvdh:

Except you did not state facts or read what I said. I never said the game did not release on pc first in japan. I am talking abut western sales which is what we were talking and anyway because the xpc version of these games are soviet all mate by Ph3 and published by western publishers. And it's a fact the Xseed playstation portable version did way worse than pc. You can keep pretending you know everything but I still have to see any sales numbers for the West or any actual proof that the pc version is apparently failing. Something that totally makes sense if we still get these games on pc to this day and now even day one... That is something totally worth doing when it does not sell.

Dude I literally explained this. I literally said those were the early days for this series. No duh it wasn't going to sell well here. You think sky sold more on pc in the west than on handheld? Well lets see here. Since you're so smart. Psp version came out in japan 2006. When did the pc version come to the west same as psp? In 2011? when the psp was being fazed out? The west enjoyed games like FF and pokemon. Why play sky when you have access to those games? The real mains stream stuff. Sky wasn't even on anybodies radar on pc or psp here.

You could keep living in your fantasy land if you somehow think this series sells more on pc in the west than switch and playstation.

I never said trails sels way more on pc than console. You are putting words in my mouth. I am simply stating that it can't possible be flopping on pc like you are claiming. Those are not the same thing. If you actually read what I said you would know this allready. And since we are on steam you should double know this. And I also love that you entirely derailed the conversation since you can't acknowledge the fact that Nisa has done some good for the series and that Ph3 not being hired for sky first chapters pc port is a bad thing and a big deal for some people. Do you remember how that was the topic initially?

[Sargon Aelther]

Originally posted by Tori:

This decision doesn't really mean that they're automatically ceasing anything related to NISA with any future Trails work or any other Falcom game, but it might be a situation where they're giving the release to other people in order to get them out faster compared to waiting for a couple of years for NISA to release the games to the west.

There's this reddit post with a screenshot from an alleged former XSEED employee that says that Falcom doesn't really do exclusive partnerships and that they do business with pretty much anyone that asks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/comments/1hixy68/interesting_comment_from_tom_lipschultz_former/

We have to remember that Ys vs Trails re-release is also being done by some unknown publisher.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1794880/Ys_vs_Trails_in_the_Sky_Alternative_Saga/

While we should take that screenshot with a grain of salt, I think it explains a lot of things. I bet that's also the reason why all the western Falcom games are available on GOG too. GOG probably just asked and Falcom agreed. I hope GungHo won't stand in the way of a GOG release this time...

Anyway, my point was that I agree that this probably doesn't mean that NISA is out.

[ojvdh]

Originally posted by Sargon Aelther:

Originally posted by Tori:

This decision doesn't really mean that they're automatically ceasing anything related to NISA with any future Trails work or any other Falcom game, but it might be a situation where they're giving the release to other people in order to get them out faster compared to waiting for a couple of years for NISA to release the games to the west.

There's this reddit post with a screenshot from an alleged former XSEED employee that says that Falcom doesn't really do exclusive partnerships and that they do business with pretty much anyone that asks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/comments/1hixy68/interesting_comment_from_tom_lipschultz_former/

We have to remember that Ys vs Trails re-release is also being done by some unknown publisher.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1794880/Ys_vs_Trails_in_the_Sky_Alternative_Saga/

While we should take that screenshot with a grain of salt, I think it explains a lot of things. I bet that's also the reason why all the western Falcom games are available on GOG too. GOG probably just asked and Falcom agreed. I hope GungHo won't stand in the way of a GOG release this time...

Anyway, my point was that I agree that this probably doesn't mean that NISA is out.

That is basically my thoughts to. As I said previously. I would not be surprised if gunho will handle the remakes, nisa the mainline ys and trails games and some random other publisher for side projects other than those 2.

[Maliquem]

Let's email GungHo asking for PH3 to do the port: [e-mail]

[RedRiot193]

Originally posted by ojvdh:

Originally posted by RedRiot193:

Dude I literally explained this. I literally said those were the early days for this series. No duh it wasn't going to sell well here. You think sky sold more on pc in the west than on handheld? Well lets see here. Since you're so smart. Psp version came out in japan 2006. When did the pc version come to the west same as psp? In 2011? when the psp was being fazed out? The west enjoyed games like FF and pokemon. Why play sky when you have access to those games? The real mains stream stuff. Sky wasn't even on anybodies radar on pc or psp here.

You could keep living in your fantasy land if you somehow think this series sells more on pc in the west than switch and playstation.

I never said trails sels way more on pc than console. You are putting words in my mouth. I am simply stating that it can't possible be flopping on pc like you are claiming. Those are not the same thing. If you actually read what I said you would know this allready. And since we are on steam you should double know this. And I also love that you entirely derailed the conversation since you can't acknowledge the fact that Nisa has done some good for the series and that Ph3 not being hired for sky first chapters pc port is a bad thing and a big deal for some people. Do you remember how that was the topic initially?

Ph3 did good for the series. The only thing nisa did was wake up and get worried when the geofront versions of the crossbell games get made and then went and ruined the localization for reverie and Daybreak.

You want to get back on topic? ( even though you brought up random things first that had nothing to do with the conversation) I'll say the same thing I've said repeatedly. Ph3 is the only loss. They are not the only ones that know how to make a pc port. Nisa sucks and I'm glad they aren't involved. Now go ahead and repeat yourself as if i care that you love nisa. Because you responded to me to begin with.

[Darcorn]

Maybe NISA's doing the new Trails games.

[Silly]

Originally posted by Darcorn:

Maybe NISA's doing the new Trails games.

The darkest timeline

[Yekkusu]

Lemme ask a serious question: Why the hate on NISA overall? What did they do that is so bad?

I hate the twolast cold Steel ports. They are awful.
Ys 8 was a mess at the start on translation, but the port itself is far better than CS3 and 4.
YS IX and YS X have very good port, configurations are inside the game, you can finetune graphics and have a wide range of button configurations.
Daybreak I is very well ported, and Reverie too. Both Crossbell games also had a lot of improvements and are the starting point of good ports for NIS when The legend of Heroes is related.

I really want to know why you guys hate on NIS so much, I'm curious now.

Translations are good, no problem witht hem nowadays, the ports are solid, XSEED NEVER did a good port in their entire carreer, all of their ports are just like CLE actually, stupid window outside the game for graphics configurations and almost no configurations for controls AT ALL.

So again, why the hate?


I'm actually worried about GungHo (Or Falcom) not doing the stellar job the current team taht works for NIS are doing since Trails from Zero and YS VIII when porting for PC is related.

Anf Falcom does tend to be lazy as hell too, that's why PS4 versions of Zero/Azure are worse than the others.

[ojvdh]

Originally posted by Yekkusu:

Lemme ask a serious question: Why the hate on NISA overall? What did they do that is so bad?

I hate the twolast cold Steel ports. They are awful.
Ys 8 was a mess at the start on translation, but the port itself is far better than CS3 and 4.
YS IX and YS X have very good port, configurations are inside the game, you can finetune graphics and have a wide range of button configurations.
Daybreak I is very well ported, and Reverie too. Both Crossbell games also had a lot of improvements and are the starting point of good ports for NIS when The legend of Heroes is related.

I really want to know why you guys hate on NIS so much, I'm curious now.

Translations are good, no problem witht hem nowadays, the ports are solid, XSEED NEVER did a good port in their entire carreer, all of their ports are just like CLE actually, stupid window outside the game for graphics configurations and almost no configurations for controls AT ALL.

So again, why the hate?


I'm actually worried about GungHo (Or Falcom) not doing the stellar job the current team taht works for NIS are doing since Trails from Zero and YS VIII when porting for PC is related.

Anf Falcom does tend to be lazy as hell too, that's why PS4 versions of Zero/Azure are worse than the others.

Seriously what is your problem with the last two cold steel ports? It's it just the pc settings behind in a menu because Cs 1 and 2 did that to. Or is it you not bring able to max out settings because in that case I tell you that Ph3 makes there ports future proof by adding over the top graphic settings. Just don't use max settings.

[AH-1 Cobra]

NISA was terrible, I'm glad to see this getting a global release vs a release in 1 region, then 3 years later we maybe get a release in the West.

Not only that but NISA went after the fan translations, which makes them villains by default. If they don't like fans translating their games, then they should get their ass in gear and release them quicker. With newer tools like AI-assist, localizing should be easy.