Finding Paradise

Finding Paradise

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Colin vs. Johnny (may be Spoilers inside)
Which patient did you like more? I think I will choose Colin, he had such a beautiful mind, just like that movie with the same name, which tells the story of John Nash, a mathematic genius. They basically had the same story, both growing conscious of the fakeness of their imaginary friends, etc.

I don't mean I didnt like Johnny or his issues, but I don't know, his character really felt more boring and dull in comparison, maybe it was because River's personality had rubbed on him after spending so much time together.
Not only that but Colin was funny, and besides his interesting mind, he had a great sense of humor too.

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Cyberpunk Dec 15, 2017 @ 10:02am 
Finding Paradise is a much more grown up story than To The Moon, but I will always like Johnny more, especially considering how much I could relate to him at that age. Sadly I was too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ autistic back then to even talk to "that girl". But hey, no regrets, that's what this game is about after all.
dracomantis Dec 15, 2017 @ 10:12am 
I sympathized with Johnny much more than with Colin, because I saw an innocent man who was haunted subconsciously to his deathbed by the thought that he didn't actually understand his wife whom he loved immensely. Due to beta blockers he forgot so much, even his childhood, and he didn't even realise that he forgot something. It was hard to see his situation given his devotion to River. I don't think many people would choose to respect the strangest of wishes of their spouse to complete the house so that the lighthouse (!) wouldn't feel lonely (!!) rather than to egoistically prolong the life of their wife/husband.

On the other hand, Colin was more concerned with his own situation. I understand his situation and can actually relate to his problem more than to Johnny's. But out of whatever he was feeling (probably fear of misunderstanding) he choose to tell his wife and son about his contract with Sigmund but not of his exact wish. We've seen how this decision affected the feelings of his family, obviously they thought that it was they who are the problem, that he may have wished to "write them out" of his memories etc. Even though he clearly loved them, I don't think he ever thought about the feelings of actual people, only about his own memories.
HolidayFromReal Dec 15, 2017 @ 10:24am 
I can relate more with Colin to be honest.

Johnny's story was filled with tragic events. He needed Sigmund Corp. cause they were the only ones who could help.

Colin's life on the other hand went rather well. He made quite a life with the woman he loved and they both stayed healthy together. But for me he almost chose to be unhappy in the end. He was always living in his own head and had high expactations for everything. Even is honeymoon couldn't really impress him since it didn't meet his expactations - simply because the reality was different.

I posted it here somewhere before. But i feel like Kan (and Faye) want us to tell that you should live your life instead of just living in your dreams.

Kan even said in one of his recent videos: Happiness equals Reality minus Expectations.
Erenussocrates Dec 15, 2017 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by christian-stretz:
Kan even said in one of his recent videos: Happiness equals Reality minus Expectations.

That sounds like a great quote from a wise man indeed.

Yeah, I really related to Colin more too. Especially on the loneliness part, and the concept of "growing up" and letting go of certain things. And he was literally like one in a million type of people. It was absolutely genius. Just like Neil said, he didn't need them at all. It made me wish I had a brain like he does, it seriously made me. My only complaint was I wish he "reunited" with Faye way earlier than his last memory on the balcony. He definitely needed that earlier. Because from the way I see it, that was the thing that made him unhappy for the second half of his life, losing that light of his.

Well with Johnny, I mean I like Johnny, but the issue is related more with River I guess. I mean River was so hard to understand and to follow that was the whole thing that kept the plot together. Like some people said, it was kinda pretentious. And John for some reason went with it. But still, I love To The Moon still to this day ofcourse, but I think I hold FP closer to my heart.

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HolidayFromReal Dec 15, 2017 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Erenussocrates:
Originally posted by christian-stretz:
Kan even said in one of his recent videos: Happiness equals Reality minus Expectations.

That sounds like a great quote from a wise man indeed.

Yeah, I really related to Colin more too. Especially on the loneliness part, and the concept of "growing up" and letting go of certain things. And he was literally like one in a million type of people. It was absolutely genius. Just like Neil said, he didn't need them at all. It made me wish I had a brain like he does, it seriously made me. My only complaint was I wish he "reunited" with Faye way earlier than his last memory on the balcony. The way I see it, he definitely needed that earlier. Because from the way I see it, that was the thing that made him unhappy for the second half of his life, losing that light of his.

Well with Johnny, I mean I like Johnny, but the issue is related more with River I guess. I mean River was so hard to understand and to follow that was the whole thing that kept the plot together. Like some people said, it was kinda pretentious. And John for some reason went with it. But still, I love To The Moon still to this day ofcourse, but I think I hold FP closer to my heart.

Don't get this the wrong way, because I don't want to argue with your post but I don't think Colin would have been happier with Faye around. Colin needed to let go of Faye in order to built a life with Sofia. He even said that he is happy because of her and Asher.

But in the end Colin created Faye right ? So her advice is his advice to himself in a wierd way. Following his dream to be a pilot, taking the next step with Sofia, letting go of Faye... It was him all along. He just didn't knew it at the time. He just needed a little support I guess. So her saying that he needs to let go of her is actually Colin giving that advice to himself. That's the funny thing about imaginary friends.

Sorry again I know this topic is solely about personal experiences with these games - I just wanted to point that out =)
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Erenussocrates Dec 15, 2017 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by christian-stretz:

Don't get this the wrong way, because I don't want to argue with your post but I don't think Colin would have been happier with Faye around. Colin needed to let go of Faye in order to built a life with Sofia. He even said that he is happy because of her and Asher.

But in the end Colin created Faye right ? So her advice is his advice to himself in a wierd way. Following his dream to be a pilot, taking the next step with Sofia, letting go of Faye... It was him all along. He just didn't knew it at the time. He just needed a little support I guess. So her saying that he needs to let go of her is actually Colin giving that advice to himself. That's the funny thing about imaginary friends.

Sorry again I know this topic is solely about personal experiences with these games - I just wanted to point that out =)

Nah don't worry, I didn't take it the wrong way. I dunno, I'm just fanboying over Colin so much right now, he is just an unreal representation of something great.
Me, I'm personally someone who hardly finds any motivation to do anything in myself. Even if I want something passionately. But Colin on the other hand, basically generated a motivation that didn't even exist before. I mean, there was literally no reason for him to become a pilot if it wasn't for his wild mind. Doesn't that sound so fascinating?
I think if you are more related to Colin, you may also find yourself more related to River. Loneliness is the key element. In TTM both River and Johnny were unfortunate but in different ways. Johnny lost his most precious memory with River, which made his reunion with River a tragedy from the very beginning. But River was the one who had mental illness, unable to tell her heart that she loved and pitied Johnny. Her disability was one of the things that are responsible for Johnny’s tragic, but Johnny’s memory lost was also her tragic, her tragic of unable to awake her true love one. Johnny’s accompany is but the bleeding heart of River.

If you’re related to River, I think it is her loneliness that connects you and her together. Colin is also a person with mental issue, and he was once desk-mated with River because they were both unsocialised. However Colin’s other half is not like Johnny. Sofia was a really kind, really intellectual, really understanding person. Her appearance makes Colin happy instead of sad. Colin’s real misfortune was that he cannot see his bird friend again(all because of Sigmund). From the beginning to the end, Colin had never successfully abandoned his childhood self—including his curiosity, his perfectionism and his dream(you can taste this very element within all of his theme music). He can only pretend to grow up even after his second departure with the bird. There is a perfect Chinese words that fit his description: 老顽童, which means an elderly that appears to be a naughty child.

Even to his old age he still ‘wonder the grass on the other side’. That was his sole misfortune when it mixed with Sigmund’s commercial that keep repeating ‘regrets’, and ultimately resulting that he didn’t manage to reunion with the bird—Faye. His problem was so simple that most people might think Colin’s misfortune was not a big deal. However I think that people can still relate to Colin after all because Colin’s cause of his misfortune is not the major theme of this game.

For some of you guys you may find it difficult to understand this, but here’s the words I got from FP. We all have dreams, wonders, some of us even have imaginary friends. We attach to these things to resolve our loneliness, just like Colin. But we cannot be with them forever. Sometimes, you got to let it go and embrace the true life. We may inclined to the hardship of life, may live a life that is not so fortunate as Colin’s, and may regret to let it go at the beginning. But all of them is just a part of our life. It makes us, us.
HolidayFromReal Dec 15, 2017 @ 11:39am 
@Lantency is over 9000

Wonderful post !
Oh thanks for pointing out that River was Colins desk-mate in school. Missed that one.
Mordred Dec 15, 2017 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by christian-stretz:
I posted it here somewhere before. But i feel like Kan (and Faye) want us to tell that you should live your life instead of just living in your dreams.

I don't think so, i mean, even when we are adults, we are always "dreaming" and that's not bad at all, the thought that Faye wanted to tell us was "dream, but without forgetting about you have a real life there outside, keep going"
Last edited by Mordred; Dec 15, 2017 @ 1:26pm
Originally posted by Mordred:
Originally posted by christian-stretz:
I posted it here somewhere before. But i feel like Kan (and Faye) want us to tell that you should live your life instead of just living in your dreams.

I don't think so, i mean, even when we are adults, we are always "dreaming" and that's not bad at all, the think that Faye wanted to tell us was "dream, but with out forgetting about you have a real life there outside, keep going"

I totally agree with that. It was also told in Laura's song.

Also, have you ever consider that Kan's incarnation in this game is actually Colin instead of Faye? And Kan's incarnation in To the Moon is actually River?

I recently came across with a short-documentary about Kan (It is in Chinese but there are English sub. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av3982136/ start from 0:30. There are two parts), it really helped our Chinese localisation team figure out his though, for it reveals us a lot of untold story of Kan.

To me, this documentary is like a key to Kan's secret thought treasure. A lot of things really connected when I knew about this part of him.
Liorex Dec 16, 2017 @ 5:58am 
Originally posted by Lantency is over 9000:
Originally posted by Mordred:

I don't think so, i mean, even when we are adults, we are always "dreaming" and that's not bad at all, the think that Faye wanted to tell us was "dream, but with out forgetting about you have a real life there outside, keep going"

I totally agree with that. It was also told in Laura's song.

Also, have you ever consider that Kan's incarnation in this game is actually Colin instead of Faye? And Kan's incarnation in To the Moon is actually River?

I recently came across with a short-documentary about Kan (It is in Chinese but there are English sub. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av3982136/ start from 0:30. There are two parts), it really helped our Chinese localisation team figure out his though, for it reveals us a lot of untold story of Kan.

To me, this documentary is like a key to Kan's secret thought treasure. A lot of things really connected when I knew about this part of him.

Thank you for the sharing, it's a big hint as to what Kan wants to express in his games.

As a summary to people who doesn't understand Chinese, Kan told us that he had a lonely childhood due to the migration to Canada when he was a kid. With language barrier and change of environment, he couldn't communicate with people around. (Like River, he couldn't express himself when he wanted to, and like Colin, he was all by himself with no friends.)

When it comes to making games and music, in the video he mentioned that these interested him because he can create a world that he can live in, and express himself with music when he doesn't know how to speak. I remember Colin once said computer is cool because you can create a world in it, it's Kan speaking for himself. And the two repeating notes in "For River" is a expression of loniness. He even mentioned that loniness and communication are always the focus of his games.

I guess Kan himself has gone through a lot in his own mind. The physical events might not be a big deal to some people, but being lonely and all brings large impact to a person's mind. Perhaps like Colin, nobody understands why he is not content with all the achievements he had, only he himself knows what's missing.
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