How is this still a thing thats being spread?

[Vi-El]

Why are the normies here now? Please leave. No Im not telling you that you cant have an opinion. No Im not saying you are stupid. No Im not saying you cant comment.

Im just not going to have a conversation with people who ignore facts over having opinions of their own. This isnt about Night Thastus who just now replied when I made this edit. This is about now three normies posting on this month old thread that got revived by another person who understands the problem at hand.

To all the normies currently in this forum: Please just do your research before you comment on these topics. I dont wanna have a dumb debate over opinions. Have yours. I have mine. I dont care.

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So I dont think I gotta mention it since all will know of it already but in case there are some who dont: There are people still spreading that the game and with that the dev has a huge guro fetish.

The issue present is two-fold. For one its blatant misinformation as the dev has already said that this isnt the case publicly.
For the other its also blatant misinformation as guro is used as a replacement for the word "gore". Which if you actually end up looking up the word online is not what it is about.

The term in Japanese refers to "something that is both erotic and grotesque". As in, something that feels straight up horrifying but is somehow appealing. This can indeed apply to gore but if anything a very minor aspect of Guro. (And mind you, this post is made by someone who isnt into Guro, I just genuinely hate this misinformation as the dev keeps getting ♥♥♥♥ for it from people).

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How did this spreading of misinfo start? IcarusLives made a video covering the Citadel making his usual jokes and eventually also joked about this game being probably made by a guy being into Guro. He did not actually mean it, it was all in good fun and his usual commentary. He did not anticipate people taking it serious and when even the dev reached out in a public comment, he ended up cutting the joke out of the video cause he understood what harm it caused.

Despite this, people still end up going for "Yea its just a guro fetish" without knowing what either "guro" nor "fetish" seems to mean.

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For the uninitiated when it comes to fetishes: If you know something is a fetish, that means you have been exposed to it in some capacity to the point where you can recognize it as such. And this isnt just a "I seen it once" scenario. Its a "I seen it enough times to say, this is it". Which at this stage says more about you than it says about the dev.

Chainsawman has a lot of fetishy moments in it. But they are very much in your face. You can tell what it is cause it ends up the most simple crap known to man. But these are details in the anime and not the focus. So it wouldnt be fair either to call Chainsawman a BDSM anime or whatever kind of fetish you wanna ascribe to it either.

And when it comes to Guro? And a Guro Fetish? Lets pretend it means Gore. How is it that you, as in the people who say this, are so convinced that its a fetish? Can you see something you like in it? Could it be that? Cause I dont see something I like. I just see guts. Blood. Bodyparts. How that is anyones fetish is beyond me.

How anyone could recognize it as such is also beyond me.

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To those who care about the game, please pay attention to people who keep saying this ♥♥♥♥. Cause it continues even today. The Antis will always use it as a talking point and never realize how dumb it sounds. Correct them and tell them to get lost.

What started as a joke spiraled into Twitter Nuts freaking out over nothing.

[PanamaJack]

So I think what's bothered me about it outside of seeing gore in various other games is that Soldier of Fortune, Doom, Postal and etc have all had their fair share of criticism but this is just a project by one guy, and I'm not even a fan of most anime and I'm aware this is literally just the same type of concept as those games, the gore is realistic, your enemies are severely underdeveloped malnourished psychopaths.

I think the issue people are suddenly having is realizing that maybe not every bad guy is going to be a generic 6ft tall brick s**thouse of a person with a shirt that says "badman" on it.

What's irritating me is that this type of thing is *fine* in every other circumstance, but because the artist/dev traced images from some H thing everyone is assuming this game is sexual in nature, when it's absolutely not.

The difference between Guro and Gore is whether or not anyone is openly "enjoying" themselves to it, which is honestly up to the player but no different than tea-bagging someone or finding out what parts of a body can be blown off in any other game or worse yet, fapping to it.

Which uh, is all up to the discretion of the player as the art and game itself doesn't give you any incentive to do any of that outside of trying to prevent an enemy from shooting you while they're dying.

So unless this game has someone *actively* humping a meat chunk or other absolutely degenerate content, this is literally just a regular FPS game simulating somewhat realistic death animations. Any perversion of that is on the person playing it or trying to intentionally skew it. This isn't even a "well it's art so it gets a pass" situation, it's more or less them just making things up.

And it's awful because I recall the dev almost quitting after the first game, which I absolutely loved the story of.

TL;DR: It's a meme at this point, people just want the opposition to be mute strongman in a balaclava that ragdolls. Because it turns out heaving a grenade at someone might take their clothes off and turn their insides out and they're too sheltered to realize that. You're playing a game where you use firearms in the most stereotypical way, it's not something that happens without emotion, scarring or deep seated psychological damage.

[gargle]

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[Hyper Realistic Blood]

When you hit a heavily armoured person with a rocket and one of the gibs is a naked limbless chest and another is a bare ass with no legs, it becomes suspicious past "it's just gore but Japanese," and I don't really understand why disintegrating enemies removes their armour but leaves them as a completely nude salt statue. Same with statue decorations of nude torsos with exposed intestines.

It's not even just because it's cute anime women, either. If they were men and they left bare chests and butts in their gibs, I'd still be suspicious, but you don't gib a former human in Doom and see his bare ass laying on the ground.

Like, I guess you could say it's a stylistic choice, but consider the optics. It's like Kojima saying Quiet needs to go to war in a bikini because she breathes through her skin. If guro is eroticism mixed with the grotesque, then this is still guro, even if the dev says he's not into it.

Just because no one's trying to have sex with the gore doesn't mean it isn't heavily sexualized. That's like saying nude photos aren't porn.

As far as I can tell, the problem isn't that it's actually not sexual, the problem is you think gore being sexualized is bad, and you don't want this to be bad. I understand the reaction and empathize with it, but it's not "just Japanese gore". There are plenty of violent Japanese games that don't handle gore this way.

[Ruludos]

have you played the damn game my dude? do you have eyes?

[Vi-El]

Originally posted by Ruludos:

have you played the damn game my dude? do you have eyes?

Yes I do you tourist

[Ruludos]

Originally posted by Vi-El:

Yes I do you tourist

got all my achievements so nice try

like HRB said the problem seems to be you're in denial about an obvious part of the game's appeal and the doublethink is messing with your head

[Vi-El]

Originally posted by Hyper Realistic Blood:

When you hit a heavily armoured person with a rocket and one of the gibs is a naked limbless chest and another is a bare ass with no legs, it becomes suspicious past "it's just gore but Japanese," and I don't really understand why disintegrating enemies removes their armour but leaves them as a completely nude salt statue. Same with statue decorations of nude torsos with exposed intestines.

It's not even just because it's cute anime women, either. If they were men and they left bare chests and butts in their gibs, I'd still be suspicious, but you don't gib a former human in Doom and see his bare ass laying on the ground.

Like, I guess you could say it's a stylistic choice, but consider the optics. It's like Kojima saying Quiet needs to go to war in a bikini because she breathes through her skin. If guro is eroticism mixed with the grotesque, then this is still guro, even if the dev says he's not into it.

Just because no one's trying to have sex with the gore doesn't mean it isn't heavily sexualized. That's like saying nude photos aren't porn.

As far as I can tell, the problem isn't that it's actually not sexual, the problem is you think gore being sexualized is bad, and you don't want this to be bad. I understand the reaction and empathize with it, but it's not "just Japanese gore". There are plenty of violent Japanese games that don't handle gore this way.

My brother in christ. Do you read what you write before you post it?

Ero Guro describes literally Hentai with Gore. Calling the artist a Guro Artist who is fetishizing Gore or even sexualizing it, brings it into Ero Guro Territory. Meaning people claim he is actively making porn with gore.

Its not Guro. Cause it links it directly to Ero Guro. Its literally just Gore. I dont care if you think that some body parts here and there are sexy because they are from a woman instead of man. But thats a you thing and not a me nor the artist thing.

Like yall act as if this is in any way shape or form different to other Gore in FPS games just because its anime. Once again this is literally a differentiation people make just cause its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anime.

Why cant you normies, sorry, just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ accept that some things look different when its from a different country or culture? Why does it have to instantly fall into realm of assumptions? Kojima is Kojima. Who cares if thats his reason or not? Like genuinely? Why do you need to assume that he says the truth or a lie? You dont know. And you wont ever know. Especially not like this.

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The man made a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Walking Simulator into a game. Extract the meaning from that please. Extract the meaning from a cutscene in which the MC punches the camera in the face when the player stares too long at his crotch.

Please extract the meaning from that. Could it be that the character hates being sexualized? No. Its a joke. They know people find the actor attractive and give them an easteregg as a reward. Its similar to 2B moving away from a lower camera angle when players try to ogle her underwear.

And mind you, Yoko Taro creator of NieR Automata and with that 2B, loves to see porn of his characters. Yet that is still a part of the game he had to agree to for it to be included.

That game also has a full on question of "You wanna ♥♥♥♥ 2b" censored. Why? Cause it sexualize the female character? No. Cause the game is about philosophy and searching the meaning behind what is said. Why is that third word censored? Because it could mean ANYTHING. Kiss. Kill. Strangle. Brutalize. Etc etc etc etc. And you know what? The word probably means "kiss". Cause 9S is a lil bi*** who started to fall in love with 2B.

[Vi-El]

Originally posted by Ruludos:

Originally posted by Vi-El:

Yes I do you tourist

got all my achievements so nice try

like HRB said the problem seems to be you're in denial about an obvious part of the game's appeal and the doublethink is messing with your head

Having all achievements doesnt mean you aint a tourist.

[Vi-El]

Intellectually dishonest Tourists. Or misguided Normies, I honestly cant tell.

Its like yall choose that your assumptions about another person or country in the world are the truth even though none of you can spare a moment of your time to actually invest said moment into researching ♥♥♥♥.

I wanna make this very clear again: If you find this ♥♥♥♥ to be sexual in any way shape or form, thats a YOU problem.

YOU and not US. I dont wack it to Gore. I dont find a decapitated body or a chopped off leg attractive. If you see something sexual about that, thats YOU and ONLY YOU.

Something you find sexually attractive even just through a morbid curiousity doesnt make that thing sexual. Just like people not wearing socks. Idk why people fetishize feet but last time I checked, someone just walking around barefoot isnt putting a fetish on display. You ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weirdos.

And just to get into what HRB said cause aparently I missed that: No. Nude images arent Porn. It matters what the image is about. Is it intended to arouse you sexually then yes its porn. Is it in a schoolbook to explain anatomy? No it probably isnt Porn. Its educational. You intellectually misguided Normie. Or do you think that someone walking around on a nude beach is now also actively sitting there with a boner constantly wacking it to other people present? Cause clearly they should be aroused by all the nude bodies around.

Heres a lil something for yall: A character being nude, doing normal every day things, is just a character being nude doing normal every day things. A character having sex, is a character having sex. Nude or not. Maybe you wanna do some thinking about that.

[Night Thastus]

...but it's obviously gore fetish content? I mean, one look at the visuals or listening to the sounds gives it away.

I kind of figured that was obvious. People can make w/e floats their boat, but denying the obvious cues is kind of silly. Just because it's there doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game or that it's a bad game or something.

Personally that sort of thing isn't for me, but w/e.

[Vi-El]

Originally posted by Night Thastus:

...but it's obviously gore fetish content? I mean, one look at the visuals or listening to the sounds gives it away.

I kind of figured that was obvious. People can make w/e floats their boat, but denying the obvious cues is kind of silly. Just because it's there doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game or that it's a bad game or something.

Personally that sort of thing isn't for me, but w/e.

Ok... You clearly arent trying to debate so Im just gonna address this in the nicest way I can.

You are a Normie and a Tourist. The terms mean this in context:

You are not interest in the culture. And you are not doing research on the topic of another culture. If you want to be part of a conversation even if it is just have an opinion, do the research.

I am not here to discuss or debate opinions. If in your OPINION this is that, I cant do anything to change your mind on it. Cause its your opinion: You read all the above and you still say "Nah its not". So I am not going to try. Do your own research. I am not going to for you anymore than I have already. If you find that assuming what someone gets off to is more valuable than actually understanding whats on screen, I wont entertain it with an actual discussion.

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Additionally: Why does it matter? Cause of two factors.

1. The dev already PUBLICLY denied it to be true
2. Japan

If you wanna know why this matters: Do your own research. And if you dont want to, stay a Tourist. But then also dont involve yourself in these types of conversations. You have the right attitude of "its whatever" but you still blatantly state that what you think is correct despite several facts being publicly known.

[JimmyKaz]

i blame the puritains, the maybe gone, but they still live in American's heart.

[Ruludos]

local redditor has a meltdown while denying reality, more at 11

[Vi-El]

Originally posted by Ruludos:

local redditor has a meltdown while denying reality, more at 11

Local Tourist doesnt realize hes a tourist. Go on little tourist. Keep showing everyone that you cant read and that the only thing you can say is literally the most milquetoast crap to try and "trigger" someone else.

[Wereriche]

Seems like this is the first time OP and other posters have seen an average dllsite game.