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[Spoiler] Questions about Martyr and her brother
Has the game talked about why they are regarded as sinners? I played The Citadel a long time ago but forgot most lore, Beyond Citadel seems didn't mention the reason.

Also, according to the fragment of chapter 3 and 5, does Martyr once had a baby (maybe more than one) with her brother?
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Vic Jan 5 @ 5:31am 
They were doing it like rabbits, originally she was supposed to be punished for that and getting pregnant by her brother but Elulu took her place and the punishment for her.
Hoshie Jan 5 @ 9:52am 
As I understood it, when the angels came out of the ground, they deemed everyone sinners and turned people into salt piles. Hence Martyr and Elulu getting smitten. Elulu took the punishment for both and got ripped into pieces, but the angels thought Martyr shouldn't go unpunished, so they tore our her womb and other body parts.

I'm assuming this happened to the original Martyr, not one of the clones that get activated from the cryo-pods when Martyr in game. However, when Martyr is cut in half and the guts can be seen, there's no womb visible (could be hidden by the intestines). Yet on the dissected statues around Citadel which clearly depict the Martyr, you can see a uterus in every statue (could be because the statue shows the perfect form, not the punished). Something I've been thinking about...

But yes, the body part fragments you collect tell the story as you've mentioned. This actually frames the first game better for me, since I don't remember much about it having played it years ago. Going to replay after I finish this game.

I do miss shooting cute anime girl bosses though -_-
When the original Angels came, they turned most of humans to salt. That gun we get in the end of the game is reference to it. It only works on human flesh. That's why heavy cyborgs are resistant to it and the suicide bombers are immune to it. The angels deem flesh as sin but apparently the suicide bombers are faithful enough to be pure. After Elulu shielded her sister from the angels, he lost all his limbs because those are the parts of his body deemed sinful.

He used to play the piano but can't anymore. This is why the piano tune we hear since Citadel1 is so sad now.

A lot of incest happens. Society deem the two as sinners so they are used to make Angels of Lust. Angel of Lust are in fact the original Martyr and Elulu. Yes, Martyr killed herself and her brother or what's left of them. That's where the story of the original brothers end. The game mentions the demons took great care to erase the martyr's memories and historical so there's a chance she didn't know and nobody did.

TLDR: She loved her brother so much her unborn child with him was a perfect copy of him. The child was harvested and joined with 9 billion+ other humans because they had the faint/vague fragment of the original god. As in 'god god' not the god from the first Citadel. Before or after becoming the Angel of Lust with her brother, Martyr plotted her revenge and redemption.

She uses her endless supplies of clones to purify the land. Except this time its also personal.

Angels are evil. Demons are evil. The old angels from the first game weren't evil because they were weak and too human. Religion is evil. Atheism is evil. Abortion is evil. Incest is good.

Also the shopkeeper from 1 is now a sentient warship of mass destruction and Martyr's only remaining close ally. He guides her to her obligation but doesn't force her hand on the choice. Apparently something remained of him in the original blast site. The UN turned him into the UNS Edelweiss. He wears white robes and is noble, just what the flower name means in german.

There's a missing angel/demon out there who's responsible for the game's events. It is likely we're getting a third game.
Last edited by Young Erusean Officer; Jan 5 @ 10:18am
Originally posted by Young Erusean Officer:
Also the shopkeeper from 1 is now a sentient warship of mass destruction and Martyr's only remaining close ally. He guides her to her obligation but doesn't force her hand on the choice. Apparently something remained of him in the original blast site. The UN turned him into the UNS Edelweiss. He wears white robes and is noble, just what the flower name means in german.
Pretty sure that Esqa/Edelweiss isn't Tycho at all, but instead a clone (?)
During Act 8, Chamber 5, Esqa says that this:
"We, war-time models had to have a function that the original Angel ship did not have.
This is the function of using humans instead of Angels as the core of the ship."

"Because the Angels never permit this plan, humans had to develop and implement it in secret. But it didn't work. So, Edelweiss operated in an incomplete state, without a core."

"When the Fruit of the Ephemeral purified the world, i was still just an ovum. The purifying light burned out everything near the hypocentre except me, who was the only one left alive. I was salvaged by Edelweiss as the sole survivor of the incident."

"I was stored and fitted into the core of Edelweiss. I was given Edelweiss as my body which i couldn't have. This form is not my true self. I have merely imitated the appearance and voice i was originally meant to have. The real me cannot leave the ship. Edelweiss is my body."

"I can't follow you to the end like the one who was the basis of this form. I won't be able to follow the your journey to the end. I'm sorry... sorry for deceiving you."
Last edited by super weaner; Jan 5 @ 11:06am
UselessOkuu Jan 5 @ 11:37am 
Tycho died when the Martyr set the nuke to kill the Awakening God at the end of the first game

Originally posted by Pithecanthropus Ayyoukh:
Pretty sure that Esqa/Edelweiss isn't Tycho at all, but instead a clone (?)
Esqa is not a clone, going by a picture Doekuramori posted a year ago on twitter Eska is being very literally when saying "I was still just an ovum", Tycho and (The Citadel) Martyr did the deed and she got pregnant, the ovum/Esqa was the only survivor of the explosion, and got used as the core for the warship. That's why he looks like Tycho
Originally posted by UselessOkuu:
Tycho died when the Martyr set the nuke to kill the Awakening God at the end of the first game

Originally posted by Pithecanthropus Ayyoukh:
Pretty sure that Esqa/Edelweiss isn't Tycho at all, but instead a clone (?)
Esqa is not a clone, going by a picture Doekuramori posted a year ago on twitter Eska is being very literally when saying "I was still just an ovum", Tycho and (The Citadel) Martyr did the deed and she got pregnant, the ovum/Esqa was the only survivor of the explosion, and got used as the core for the warship. That's why he looks like Tycho
didn't follow the twitter, only going by the BC information and my rusty knowledge of the first one.
Hoshie Jan 5 @ 11:44am 
This is very satisfying lore to read, thanks to everyone for contributing!
One thing I forgot to mention even is a little obvious. angels and demons are actually the same species. The only difference is that Demons wish to cause the apocalypse and birth their god and humans are in either in the way or must be wiped out for that to happen. They have this whole 'god doesn't exist so I'm going to create him' vibe to them. Think that's what the game means by 'Millenarism'. I forgot how its spelled. Science/advancement/progress is their religion basically.

Angels however, believe their god also existed in some point of time, long, long ago. They are willing to kill and sacrifice 9billion+ humans to cause the return of their god. Unlike the demons, they actually managed to almost reach their goal. They get a pass as good guys initially because of religion and changing history to fit their narrative.

So yes, the only difference is ideological. Both are absolute evils, no matter how one looks at it. I think Martyr is one of the few people that know because she has some memories left of her brother.

Originally posted by UselessOkuu:
Tycho died when the Martyr set the nuke to kill the Awakening God at the end of the first game

Originally posted by Pithecanthropus Ayyoukh:
Pretty sure that Esqa/Edelweiss isn't Tycho at all, but instead a clone (?)
Esqa is not a clone, going by a picture Doekuramori posted a year ago on twitter Eska is being very literally when saying "I was still just an ovum", Tycho and (The Citadel) Martyr did the deed and she got pregnant, the ovum/Esqa was the only survivor of the explosion, and got used as the core for the warship. That's why he looks like Tycho

I think this plays into my theory that Martyr is able to only give birth to clones. So far both the merchant and Elulu's children are clones of their dads.
Last edited by Young Erusean Officer; Jan 5 @ 4:09pm
Dr. Shelf Jan 5 @ 8:24pm 
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Originally posted by Young Erusean Officer:
All that stuff
Wrong.

I'll try to keep it brief. Obvious spoilers, of course:

- God decides to go out for cigarettes and never returns.
- Angels get mad at humans because they believe humanity's sins to be the reason God left.
- Angels decide to decent and wipe humanity off to clean their sins and hopefully bring God back.
- Humanity believes Angels to be Demons.
- Meanwhile, actual demons go up to earth and see what's going on. They take pity on mankind and decide to help them fight the angels.
- However, since they're conceptually Evil, they can't really do good. This is why they try to replace as much of themselves as they can with machine. (This I gathered from the Innkeeper, but I can't say with 100% certainty)
- Mankind believes them to be Angels, because they're helping them. They come to be known as Machine Angels because of all the body replacement they do.
- Meanwhile. Martyr and Elulu do the nasty. She gets pregnant. Angels are so offended by this much sin that they have to really make sure they get super cleansed.
- SOMEHOW Elulu is able to take punishment for the both of them. Martyr still gets wrecked, womb stolen, unborn babies aborted, but she survives thanks to the Machine Angels' help.
- Again, SOMEHOW, this makes her invulnerable to further angels' cleansing. Some Harry Potter ♥♥♥♥ right there. (There's this ancient hebrew ritual about killing a goat and passing your sins onto it in order to be cleansed of sin. I'd imagine this is what is meant to have happened, but I'm unsure the dev put that much thought into it)
- Being immune to the angels' cleansing, that makes Martys the perfect weapon against them. She wishes to get revenge against the angels, and so volunteers (apparently demands, the way the game phrased it) to get cloned a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of times in order to fight back.
- Machine Angels (Demons) want to create a new replacement god for Mankind. They kind of ♥♥♥♥ it up, and the unborn new god uses the machine implants on humans and demons to brainwash them. Cue Citadel 1.
- Martyr has to go down to Citadel to kill the Machine Angels that have gone rampant, as well as all of the humans that have been brainwashed, and the sleeping god too.
- She nukes the god, Machine Angels are all dead*, Citadel is free.
- But Citadel 2 happens. Now the actual Angels (The Trumpeteers) want to finish the fight, and they somehow created another brainwashing wave that basically turns humans crazy again. Martyr also gets a weird signal (that the purple haired lady with glasses admits to have send herself near the end of the game), so she goes down to clean up after herself.
- Kill all the REAL angels, meanwhile you gather the parts of Elulu (which aren't really that).
- After the angels are dead Esqa admits he was an ovum saved from Tycho after the nuke, and he's merged with the Edelweiss. This is very questionable but I imagine it's more of a language barrier thing.
- In any case, the signal was apparently not from the purple haired lady, but from the souls of the billion people the angels cleansed.
- You see, the angels weren't just killing humans. God created humans in his image, so in every human there's a tiny bit of God. The angels wanted to gather all of this "godliness" and put it back together to create a new good, similarly to what the machine angels planned, but through different means.
- Each of the body parts was in fact, part of this essence. Elulu, having been cleansed, was just part of the amalgamation. Thus he contacted Martyr through the 5G waves to get her to come down and put him and everyone else out of their misery.
- At the end, you can choose to put the god together, ergo reuniting with Elulu, in a way, or destroying the parts and giving them all their final rest.
Originally posted by Dr. Shelf:
All that stuff

This

Also some additional lore

Since "Machine Angels" were actually devils who conceptually can't do good, they came up with the brilliant idea of helping humans through "hypocrisy"
Basically they lied about being angels. And since everything they did after were under the guise of lies, they're technically still "bad".

Esqa is the "child" between the Martyr and Tycho. He was made during the events of the Citadel, and was in Martyr's womb when Martyr killed the sleeping god at the end of the first game.
The device Martyr detonated wasn't a nuke (as it was stated nukes do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to the machines), it was the Fruit of the Ephemeral, ie a mini apocalypse trigger that destroys anything deemed sinful in its vacinity. Esqa, being an unborn child that wasn't formed from incest, was the only thing left alone by purging as he was pure and free of sin.

Esqa, being a lump of cells without a formed body, was taken in by Edelweiss to be used as its core.

Here's the family tree of Martyr and co. the author drew a while back.

https://x.com/citadeldev/status/1778766812613939430/photo/1
Last edited by otterslide823; Jan 6 @ 3:27am
Boy... The lore is deep as balls and equally fricked up.
Keyes Jan 6 @ 9:48pm 
Why does one of the purifier firing modes turn people into salt pillars of the brother?
Originally posted by Keyes:
Why does one of the purifier firing modes turn people into salt pillars of the brother?
Real angelic weapon that turns sinners into pillars of salt.
Similar to how most of the human population was driven to extinction by angels during the ‘Starry Night’ that’s mentioned in a few text logs.
The angels that descended from the heavens look almost entirely like machines for some bizarre reason.
Imagine you’re outside doing your gardening when a giant floating god machine starts shooting lasers that turn you into salt.
Last edited by SWIFFLEE; Jan 7 @ 12:17am
Thanks for everyone replying to this thread, really didn't expect to get so many replies. Hope there would be a Citadel universe sequel.
Keyes Jan 7 @ 2:56pm 
Originally posted by SWIFFLEE:
Originally posted by Keyes:
Why does one of the purifier firing modes turn people into salt pillars of the brother?
Real angelic weapon that turns sinners into pillars of salt.
Similar to how most of the human population was driven to extinction by angels during the ‘Starry Night’ that’s mentioned in a few text logs.
The angels that descended from the heavens look almost entirely like machines for some bizarre reason.
Imagine you’re outside doing your gardening when a giant floating god machine starts shooting lasers that turn you into salt.

No I get that (except the machines are "angels" that rose from below, and only adopted machine bodies to replace the parts lost for going against their nature)...

I mean why is there a single tit-less sprite used for the salt "pillars"? I thought the hairstyle matched the brother and that there might be some meaning there. Then again, everybody turns into the same silhouette while on fire so whatever
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