Miller vs Vega, what does it change?

[Ruka]

When you return from Arc mission you have the choice to give the mail from Manderley to either Miller or Vega. I chose Miller and I never ever heard about it again. What's the difference?
Later when you wake up from your orchid shot in the Garm mission, you must choose to contact either Miller or Vega. Again, what does it change?

And while I'm at it, anyone figured out whose Stiletto it was that you find on Vince Black/Czarnobog? It can't be the wife's since she never met him in person, I imagine it's Madame Photographe's, though I have no clue to back it up

[Sentient_Toaster]

Originally posted by Ruka fr:

I see your point but I'm still disappointed because, as I saw it, these choices were actually asking you "Do you trust Miller?"; I did, and it turned out at the end, that I was right to do so, but apparently it didn't matter because his boss spied on him anyway.

You're also not the only spy within TF29 (there are at least two others). Miller's written as a pretty good guy who tries to play by the book and get the mission done, but he's working within a thorughly infiltrated, corrupted system that basically controls what he has access to -- except that he's remarkably tolerant of Jensen serving as wildcard.

You might reasonably expect to be fired, for instance, if your solution to getting access to the evidence at Ruzicka was to slaughter all the law enforcement officers on sight and basically start a war between TF29 and the local government (and probably national government, once it realizes that the locals can't handle a homicidal augmented supersoldier), but AFAICT there is literally nothing you can do that will push Miller to expel you (thus resulting in a non-standard game over).

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

Originally posted by Ruka fr:

I see your point but I'm still disappointed because, as I saw it, these choices were actually asking you "Do you trust Miller?"; I did, and it turned out at the end, that I was right to do so, but apparently it didn't matter because his boss spied on him anyway.

You're also not the only spy within TF29 (there are at least two others). Miller's written as a pretty good guy who tries to play by the book and get the mission done, but he's working within a thorughly infiltrated, corrupted system that basically controls what he has access to -- except that he's remarkably tolerant of Jensen serving as wildcard.

You might reasonably expect to be fired, for instance, if your solution to getting access to the evidence at Ruzicka was to slaughter all the law enforcement officers on sight and basically start a war between TF29 and the local government (and probably national government, once it realizes that the locals can't handle a homicidal augmented supersoldier), but AFAICT there is literally nothing you can do that will push Miller to expel you (thus resulting in a non-standard game over).

Plot armor prevents Jensen from being fired or discharged. Even starting out, not many of the guys there like you, and everybody's asking Adam questions about why he doesn't take his nupoz, where he came from, why he's a military grade aug that's allowed to roam free, and pester you when you inevitably steal all the base's stuff and hack all the computers.

[RektUmbra]

Originally posted by Shindig73:

I found out that Janus' first name is Hugh

Hugh Mungous

[PrOxAnto]

Also Miller makes the Foxiest achievement unachievable apparently, as he will trigger an alarm.

[icleus]

Miller is going to keep the evidence because he reports directly to JM.
He knows exactly what it is. You’re his agent, not his bestfriend.

Vega uses the evidence to trace back HK which is Bob Page.

Contacting Miller at GARM will lead to GARM being tipped off and the alarm will sound regardless if you were a ghost. This WILL fail foxhound achievement. It is undetermined if Miller tipped them off or if it was the new psych. She does snoop around after all.

Contacting Vega will not tip off GARM.

[Shindig73]

Contacting Vega will not tip off GARM.

Shame you can't contact Hugh Janus

[Sentient_Toaster]

Originally posted by icleus:

Contacting Miller at GARM will lead to GARM being tipped off and the alarm will sound regardless if you were a ghost. This WILL fail foxhound achievement. It is undetermined if Miller tipped them off or if it was the new psych. She does snoop around after all.

Let's just say that there's another suspect you should be considering and who would almost certainly be in the loop if you contact Miller.

[icleus]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

Originally posted by icleus:

Contacting Miller at GARM will lead to GARM being tipped off and the alarm will sound regardless if you were a ghost. This WILL fail foxhound achievement. It is undetermined if Miller tipped them off or if it was the new psych. She does snoop around after all.

Let's just say that there's another suspect you should be considering and who would almost certainly be in the loop if you contact Miller.

Well the pilot is being blackmailed but he could give a crap about Adam.

EDIT: Alright get this. The pocket sec that the pilot has is a message asking him to meet someone at 472200N083300E so that he could alleviate his heavy burden. The location is at the city of Zurich. The sender of that message is us.dc.01776. US.DC.01776 is one of the original members meeting in Human Revolution at the very beginning. Hacker windmill recorded that meeting with that sender in it. This could be Joseph Manderly. If not, it's definitely an illuminati member.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by Shindig73:

I found out that Janus' first name is Hugh

....Hugh Janus...Don't say it out too quickly. I guess at least he isn't Hugh Mungus.

[pieman]

Originally posted by icleus:

EDIT: Alright get this. The pocket sec that the pilot has is a message asking him to meet someone at 472200N083300E so that he could alleviate his heavy burden. The location is at the city of Zurich. The sender of that message is us.dc.01776. US.DC.01776 is one of the original members meeting in Human Revolution at the very beginning. Hacker windmill recorded that meeting with that sender in it. This could be Joseph Manderly. If not, it's definitely an illuminati member.

Ok:
Lucias DeBeers is the Illuminati member based in Switzerland

Which makes sense, when you consider

Elias Chikane has an email from Delara saying they 'might have friends in common'. Delara is Lucias' agent - the other Illuminati don't (well, maybe DuClare) know about her. Part of Delara's role at TF29 isn't just checking up on Adam, it's also checking up on Chikane

What I don't understand is

Why people keep thinking it is Chikane that informs the Illuminati if you contact Miller during the GARM mission. Actually, I do know. It is because the Prima guide spoiled Chikane as a mole and the emai you can find in GARM alerting them to Adam's arrival is signed by a bird with a Latin name with the intials EC.

But... Chikane is an unwilling Illuminati agent. As the dood(ette) above points out, Chikane is being blackmailed by the Illuminati. He likely hates them.

And Adam can literally *call Elias out on being the mole* on the landing pad if you talk to him a second time. He gives a very impassioned speech about he and Adam being "on the same side". It is my belief he wants to break free from the Illuminati, hence why he never reports in to TF29 (see Delara's emails).

You literally catch Delara at Miller's computer when you come out of the NSN, just before going to GARM. Planting a bug much, Delara?

As for the red shoe:

Still haven't figured this one out. It isn't the wife (despite the fact she wears red). It makes no logical sense - if she was the killer she wouldn't have even met Adam.

Madame Photographe was my second suspect too. But the best view of her we get is in Ruzicka station and she is wearing thigh length black boots in that scene.

I was expecting to find a single matching red shoe in a closet in an apartment somewhere in Prague - double checked every hidden apartment I could remember but never found one. I *really* hope the answer is in the game someone (and wasn't cut content or just irrelevant), otherwise its a bit of let down :(

[Vanlock - Bottle Angel]

No red shoes in Madame's appartment ? I don't recall that detail. :(

[Ferg]

Originally posted by pieman:

I was expecting to find a single matching red shoe in a closet in an apartment somewhere in Prague - double checked every hidden apartment I could remember but never found one. I *really* hope the answer is in the game someone (and wasn't cut content or just irrelevant), otherwise its a bit of let down :(

My take on Black's death:
One of the alternate conversation paths with Vlasta has him saying he's going to shoot you in the face just like he did Black. I wonder if the red shoe was another plot item mistakenly left in after a content cut. The whole side quest seems a bit slapdash considering if an agent went missing wouldn't the first place you look for him be his apartment?

[chimera201]

Originally posted by Ferg:

Originally posted by pieman:

I was expecting to find a single matching red shoe in a closet in an apartment somewhere in Prague - double checked every hidden apartment I could remember but never found one. I *really* hope the answer is in the game someone (and wasn't cut content or just irrelevant), otherwise its a bit of let down :(

My take on Black's death:
One of the alternate conversation paths with Vlasta has him saying he's going to shoot you in the face just like he did Black. I wonder if the red shoe was another plot item mistakenly left in after a content cut. The whole side quest seems a bit slapdash considering if an agent went missing wouldn't the first place you look for him be his apartment?

He wasn't in his apartment before you complete the previous objective in the quest. So the killing happens during that time where you are busy with the quest. My take is that Delara just gave Jensen the mission so she could 'test' Jensen. And Vince was onto Delara's secret suggested by the pocket secretary on the washing machine. So I assume Delara had to terminate him(of course indirectly).

[Regret and Redemption]

Originally posted by Shindig73:

I found out that Janus' first name is Hugh

Necroposting just to say this made me lol, thanks :)

[Aeonian]

Originally posted by volfin:

Originally posted by FreeLanceMC:

I hate Alex. Alex Vega, can they make her look and name sound anymore street fighter character? So pretentious.

And there's something wrong with Street Figher?

it's a fcking sht