About Miller and the catering room.....

[InfestedAdam]

Maybe I misread but I read somewhere if I can access the catering room fast enough I can save Miller even without the antidote. Is this an actual option or was someone merely pulling my leg?


Comments are appreciated,

Thank you

[Vassago Rain]

You can't save him without the antidote, and if you use it to save him, you spend it - thus, it can't be used to buy yourself extra time to warn the delegates.

[InfestedAdam]

Thanks for the confirmation. Perhaps it was the delegates that I read about being savable if I move quickly enough. Guess I'll just reload an earlier save for the antidote.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by InfestedAdam:

Thanks for the confirmation. Perhaps it was the delegates that I read about being savable if I move quickly enough. Guess I'll just reload an earlier save for the antidote.

Finish then replay the game instead. You have to actually pick between Stanek's daughter or the versalife vault.

[InfestedAdam]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Finish then replay the game instead. You have to actually pick between Stanek's daughter or the versalife vault.

Is it possible to still save the delegates and stop Viktor without the signal jammer? I kinda thought that was the trade-off between items. Cure Miller or delegates (if I took long) or be able to jam the bomb signal and saving Alison.

Funny enough, I managed to save both the delegates and stop the bomb by chugging biocells while running with the cloak on to Viktor. I kinda expected Viktor to detonate the bombs the moment I saved the delegates but he was clueless about that.

Had I chosen the antidote instead of the signal jammer, would I have had to stop Viktor first and then save the delegates or Miller? Is the signal jammer meant as an insurance item if I saved the delegates first?

EDIT: A quick search on Steam suggest thes signal jammer only matters for the fight against Viktor?

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by InfestedAdam:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Finish then replay the game instead. You have to actually pick between Stanek's daughter or the versalife vault.

Is it possible to still save the delegates and stop Viktor without the signal jammer? I kinda thought that was the trade-off between items. Cure Miller or delegates (if I took long) or be able to jam the bomb signal and saving Alison.

Funny enough, I managed to save both the delegates and stop the bomb by chugging biocells while running with the cloak on to Viktor. I kinda expected Viktor to detonate the bombs the moment I saved the delegates but he was clueless about that.

Had I chosen the antidote instead of the signal jammer, would I have had to stop Viktor first and then save the delegates or Miller? Is the signal jammer meant as an insurance item if I saved the delegates first?

Doing both isn't that hard. You just gotta be moderately fast, and not plunder every item that's not nailed to the floor. The jammer's primary purpose is to disable Victor's ability to set off the bombs if you take too long to fight him. Normally, he detonates the bombs out of spite after X minutes and his 'searching' cooldown's up, but if you have it, he can't blow the bombs.

If you have the antidote, you can either save Miller, or take extra time to reach the delegates.

As he alludes to, he doesn't actually want to blow up the tower, and he doesn't have any stake in killing Brown and his delegates. His personal reason for being there is to demonstrate a very simple message to the world, and also hoping to become a martyr as Adam, a wrench who's clearly working for The Man, kills him (a downtrodden, shamed, shunned, and discarded outlier of history) while the whole world's watching. He kinda wants you to kill him quite a lot as well, because of reasons explained in his computers and hideouts.

If you don't want to fight him, you can bring the killswitch, and have a pretty hardcore conversation with him.

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I killed him but now im wondering around this room that I killed him in wtf do I do?

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Also the place I have to go to is locked behind these doors, it says find and protect the delegates

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1242560961

[InfestedAdam]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Doing both isn't that hard. You just gotta be moderately fast, and not plunder every item that's not nailed to the floor.

I was concern that I was taking too long so I ignored all the special ops. Kinda had to force myself to stop looting to boot. Of course at this point in the game, loot didn't matter anymore save for New Game+

I guess the real decision comes down to saving Alison and some of her followers or Miller.

Originally posted by Shanky:

Also the place I have to go to is locked behind these doors, it says find and protect the delegates

Can't say I experienced anything like that but the alarm wasn't triggered in my case. Looking at the map, there is a passage through a hidden door that leads to the exhbition hall assuming you have the keycard to access the hall.

[Whiskeyjack1011]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Originally posted by InfestedAdam:

Is it possible to still save the delegates and stop Viktor without the signal jammer? I kinda thought that was the trade-off between items. Cure Miller or delegates (if I took long) or be able to jam the bomb signal and saving Alison.

Funny enough, I managed to save both the delegates and stop the bomb by chugging biocells while running with the cloak on to Viktor. I kinda expected Viktor to detonate the bombs the moment I saved the delegates but he was clueless about that.

Had I chosen the antidote instead of the signal jammer, would I have had to stop Viktor first and then save the delegates or Miller? Is the signal jammer meant as an insurance item if I saved the delegates first?

Doing both isn't that hard. You just gotta be moderately fast, and not plunder every item that's not nailed to the floor. The jammer's primary purpose is to disable Victor's ability to set off the bombs if you take too long to fight him. Normally, he detonates the bombs out of spite after X minutes and his 'searching' cooldown's up, but if you have it, he can't blow the bombs.

If you have the antidote, you can either save Miller, or take extra time to reach the delegates.

As he alludes to, he doesn't actually want to blow up the tower, and he doesn't have any stake in killing Brown and his delegates. His personal reason for being there is to demonstrate a very simple message to the world, and also hoping to become a martyr as Adam, a wrench who's clearly working for The Man, kills him (a downtrodden, shamed, shunned, and discarded outlier of history) while the whole world's watching. He kinda wants you to kill him quite a lot as well, because of reasons explained in his computers and hideouts.

If you don't want to fight him, you can bring the killswitch, and have a pretty hardcore conversation with him.

Yeah poor Miller, ahem, BUT I did save the delegates and stop the bombing soooo...I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome. I havent read any walkthroughs but what happens if I dont save Staneks daughter, any major changes (Just the antidote)? I will admit that I did not come across any signal jammer, anyone spare 5 words as to where I missed such a thing?

[Vassago Rain]

There's a computer up on the top floor of the arena you fight him in. You must hack it, or find the password to it, to unlock the gates. Alternatively, find the secret passage hidden in the wall behind the little bar on the second floor.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1011:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Doing both isn't that hard. You just gotta be moderately fast, and not plunder every item that's not nailed to the floor. The jammer's primary purpose is to disable Victor's ability to set off the bombs if you take too long to fight him. Normally, he detonates the bombs out of spite after X minutes and his 'searching' cooldown's up, but if you have it, he can't blow the bombs.

If you have the antidote, you can either save Miller, or take extra time to reach the delegates.

As he alludes to, he doesn't actually want to blow up the tower, and he doesn't have any stake in killing Brown and his delegates. His personal reason for being there is to demonstrate a very simple message to the world, and also hoping to become a martyr as Adam, a wrench who's clearly working for The Man, kills him (a downtrodden, shamed, shunned, and discarded outlier of history) while the whole world's watching. He kinda wants you to kill him quite a lot as well, because of reasons explained in his computers and hideouts.

If you don't want to fight him, you can bring the killswitch, and have a pretty hardcore conversation with him.

Yeah poor Miller, ahem, BUT I did save the delegates and stop the bombing soooo...I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome. I havent read any walkthroughs but what happens if I dont save Staneks daughter, any major changes (Just the antidote)? I will admit that I did not come across any signal jammer, anyone spare 5 words as to where I missed such a thing?

It's an item you get if you talk down Stanek with overwhelming force of character. If you attempt that mission, you can't do the bank heist. It's one or the other.

The way the game is structured, doing the bomb maker mission is 'for the future,' and doing the bank run is 'sticking to the past.' By telling Janus and Vega to drop off a cliff, or get their incompetent asses to break into the bank themselves, you're saving countless people in the present, and solving an actual international terrorism case. At least 30 cultists also get arrested, rather than outright die. The police applaud your actions. Your Adam has officially let the past go.

If you tell Stanek that he doesn't understand that the illuminati must be stopped before they unleash their doomsday virus on the world from inside their crystal towers, and his daughter and her cult is little more than a smudge on the international tapestry of lies and deceit you're unfolding, then start gunning down former belltower spec-op soldiers, now wearing blue uniforms rather than red, only so you can break into a bank and listen to a sound clip of Adam's ex girlfriend talk to Bob Page while he's sporting a constipated snarl, your Adam's officially trapped and dedicated entirely to the past, and the machinations of old men.

[tickletackle]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1011:

Yeah poor Miller, ahem, BUT I did save the delegates and stop the bombing soooo...I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome. I havent read any walkthroughs but what happens if I dont save Staneks daughter, any major changes (Just the antidote)? I will admit that I did not come across any signal jammer, anyone spare 5 words as to where I missed such a thing?

It's an item you get if you talk down Stanek with overwhelming force of character. If you attempt that mission, you can't do the bank heist. It's one or the other.

The way the game is structured, doing the bomb maker mission is 'for the future,' and doing the bank run is 'sticking to the past.' By telling Janus and Vega to drop off a cliff, or get their incompetent asses to break into the bank themselves, you're saving countless people in the present, and solving an actual international terrorism case. At least 30 cultists also get arrested, rather than outright die. The police applaud your actions. Your Adam has officially let the past go.

If you tell Stanek that he doesn't understand that the illuminati must be stopped before they unleash their doomsday virus on the world from inside their crystal towers, and his daughter and her cult is little more than a smudge on the international tapestry of lies and deceit you're unfolding, then start gunning down former belltower spec-op soldiers, now wearing blue uniforms rather than red, only so you can break into a bank and listen to a sound clip of Adam's ex girlfriend talk to Bob Page while he's sporting a constipated snarl, your Adam's officially trapped and dedicated entirely to the past, and the machinations of old men.

Which option do you think fits Adam's character. I feel its the bank, I mean that was the reason he signed up with TF29, to get closer to the illuminati and he even admits that the entire thing with the bomb maker is to distract them.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by tickletackle:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

It's an item you get if you talk down Stanek with overwhelming force of character. If you attempt that mission, you can't do the bank heist. It's one or the other.

The way the game is structured, doing the bomb maker mission is 'for the future,' and doing the bank run is 'sticking to the past.' By telling Janus and Vega to drop off a cliff, or get their incompetent asses to break into the bank themselves, you're saving countless people in the present, and solving an actual international terrorism case. At least 30 cultists also get arrested, rather than outright die. The police applaud your actions. Your Adam has officially let the past go.

If you tell Stanek that he doesn't understand that the illuminati must be stopped before they unleash their doomsday virus on the world from inside their crystal towers, and his daughter and her cult is little more than a smudge on the international tapestry of lies and deceit you're unfolding, then start gunning down former belltower spec-op soldiers, now wearing blue uniforms rather than red, only so you can break into a bank and listen to a sound clip of Adam's ex girlfriend talk to Bob Page while he's sporting a constipated snarl, your Adam's officially trapped and dedicated entirely to the past, and the machinations of old men.

Which option do you think fits Adam's character. I feel its the bank, I mean that was the reason he signed up with TF29, to get closer to the illuminati and he even admits that the entire thing with the bomb maker is to distract them.

Depends on you, man. I mix and match.

[cyberwiz97]

Originally posted by tickletackle:

Which option do you think fits Adam's character. I feel its the bank, I mean that was the reason he signed up with TF29, to get closer to the illuminati and he even admits that the entire thing with the bomb maker is to distract them.

I too feel the bank job fits his character best. It also fits well into the final missions. While saving Allison may be the chivalrous thing to do, it seems rather short-sighted to me.

If you follow the logical path, (as well as following orders) through the London missions, your first "decision" after clearing the convention center is to give Miller the antidote or save it. Since Adam is confident in his ability to save the delegates and defeat Viktor, saving Miller's life seems an easy choice.

From there, the next area Jensen comes to is the Meeting Rooms. You have all the time you wish to take, to get to the other end of this map and the elevator that takes him down to the VIP lounge, where he prevents Brown from drinking the poisoned wine.

By opening the hidden wall panel in the VIP room, Adam easily beats the time limit, and finds the side entrance to the exhibition hall, where Marchenko waits.

Miller is saved; Brown & Co. are saved; residents in the towers are saved; even Marchenko can be saved; the Illuminti's plan is thwarted. All's well that ends well.

Still, the other ways are fun, too. :)