English appears off-center by default?!

[KrudlerTheHorse]

Check out these screenshots I took.

http://imgur.com/a/mGjPA

These are taken the moment the turn has been passed to me, with the only user-interaction being me zooming in to take the screenshots. I later zoomed in and added the visual guide in Photoshop.

But as you can see, either the game lines up the cue off-center. I haven't tested to see if it is a visual bug only or if it actually applies spin. But it's not my job to test, clearly something isn't right here.

[Andreas]

Yes, it is off center. You need recenter each shot. It is new since 2015 or 2016 not sure. You can check out the change log http://vponline.celeris.com/support/

[Grayperview]

no fricken wonder i am missing random easy shots, this needs to be fixed asap.

[KrudlerTheHorse]

@Andreas

The changelog is here (http://vponline.celeris.com/change-log) and it says nothing to the effect.

[Andreas]

Yeas, i see it also now.
We can not see the entry about the effect cos we cant turn the change log page to page 2. Sitebug.

[KrudlerTheHorse]

Here are the patches. Tell me which ?

http://www.celeris.com/celeris_game_support_vp4_win-patch-k.html

[KrudlerTheHorse]

Look now, you've made an assertion and failed to back it up.

You've provided links that are useless in proving your point. I tried to help and provide more relevant links and you shot them down without making any effort to find the 'correct' one.

Now perhaps you can either find information to back up your assertions or stop commenting.

[PerfectlyDone]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/336150/discussions/

One of the topics on my Survey for Change Requests - feel free to input and have your ssay - this will be sent directly to Steve Chaplin and Developers who are awaiting the outcome of this survey - so far 30 people have filled this is which is a large % considering general players

[[Christ Will Return] Contentz]

@Perfectionist: Don't change this imo. It is a good feature in light of the simulator type nature of the game, as it reflects the reality of cue sports where you have to manually center each shot.

Humans aren't robots and we have to use our eyes to see if we are cueing the ball dead-center or for whatever desired english.

VP4 should be no exception!

[Jud]

I both agree and disagree with the above comment. Yes it is a simulation - and a great one at that - but there must be limits. With this logic in mind, you could argue that they should introduce a feature which means you don't cue every shot perfectly straight (easily done by reading how straight you push your mouse through) (because no one cues perfectly straight in real life). I don't see how anyone can argue that it should be an option, so that those who like it (such as the poster above) can keep it, and those that think it's a simulation step too far can turn it off.

[[Christ Will Return] Contentz]

An on/off option for the feature would be ideal, but I believe there's a mild flaw in your argument:

When playing a real cue sport, pool snooker billiards or otherwise, the spin and screw you apply to the ball is ALWAYS a concern, for every shot, and it never starts out being perfectly straight so you have to cue in with intent in order to hit a true center-ball shot.

A crooked stroke, however, is a serious playing fault that will cause you to be very inconsistent. Keep in that even a pro player with a stroke that appears crooked can still be perfectly accurate. Fransisco Bustamante comes to mind, he in fact even draws the butt of his cue out to the right at the far end of his backswing, but he still comes through perfectly straight somehow. It's ugly but it gets the job done!

So the two items are apples and oranges IMO.

I hold to my stance that this feature adds a tangible element of skill that is more lifelike

[Jud]

But in real life we make the decision regarding the side / English we apply to the cueball BEFORE we get down on the shot. We don't get down on the shot, aim at 10 o'clock, and then decide that in fact we want to aim centre ball or maybe at 6 o'clock to play a draw.

There's absolutely no logic or parallels with real life to un-centre the cue tip for every shot, because this isn't what we do in real life.

And nor does it require skill, because once you realise the tip is off-centre for each shot, you very quickly get used to aligning it as desired. Which in turn means it doesn't matter where the cue tip is initially positioned.

In short, when you become more skilled at this game, you hardly play any shots 'plain ball' so why not just put it in a neutral position (centre) to start off with??

[KrudlerTheHorse]

I'm so happy to see the discussion here.

There's a third possibility that may not be the best but I'm adding spice to the pot:

What if they just TOLD PLAYERS so they'll know it's frickin' off center - would that not make all other arguments moot?

[[Christ Will Return] Contentz]

Originally posted by Jud:

There's absolutely no logic or parallels with real life to un-centre the cue tip for every shot, because this isn't what we do in real life.

And nor does it require skill, because once you realise the tip is off-centre for each shot, you very quickly get used to aligning it as desired.

It's absolutely what happens, and what you just described is 100% what every skilled player does during a shot, in fact one common fault among amateurs is that they miss shots they know they can make, and it turns out that they're in fact not hitting a true center ball hit but off to one side or another, higher or lower.

I remember they would teach drills to hit perfect stun-shots to help correct this and get them stroking dead center-ball.

What I'm saying is that it actually takes a conscious, deliberate effort to hit a perfect center-ball shot that comes off dead in real life, you won't be stroking center-ball on the cue/white ball as soon as you plant your cue down into your bridge unless you devote a certain degree of attention to doing so.

So again I like the current behavior

[Jud]

Originally posted by Christ Will Return Contentz:

It's absolutely what happens, and what you just described is 100% what every skilled player does during a shot, in fact one common fault among amateurs is that they miss shots they know they can make, and it turns out that they're in fact not hitting a true center ball hit but off to one side or another, higher or lower.

No, the reason they don't hit a true centre cueball is because they don't push the cue through in a straight line, not because they're aiming off-centre.

[KrudlerTheHorse]

Originally posted by Jud:

No, the reason they don't hit a true centre cueball is because they don't push the cue through in a straight line, not because they're aiming off-centre.

100% correct