Did Brad do the right thing?(SPOILERS)

[BelieveNYoSelf]

I would love to hear all your answers!
And mine is:NO! HE DID NOT. Brad's heart was in the right place and i really do believe he was a good man, his MIND is what was messed up and the poor choices he made leading down a darker path

1.As soon as he picked buddy up as a baby she immiediately became a "Second Chance" to redeem hiself for the lost of his Sister, Lisa. Which already rubbed me the wrong way.

2. If he really wanted to become a better person, he had people like STICKY, and if you noticed they asked more then once what was wrong with Brad and that JOY IS NOT WHAT HE NEEDED, he just ignored answering them and talking to them about his problems/his past and continued running away from his problems with more Joy and Alcohol.

3.Now i understand its alot of perverted men trying to go after a little girl, but at the end Brad should of realized that she was in the custody of RANDO, the nicest damn guy in the game!!!!
Brad should of known Rando was going to take care of the girl but he could not let his past go. The only people that wanted Buddy for anything sexual was Rando's Army, Not RANDO himself!!!!!


4. I feel Brad used Buddy simply as A REASON TO LIVE, if it wasn't for Buddy he would of killed himself a long time ago, or continued keeping his problems to himself and drowning himself in Joy and Alcohol.

5. If you noticed, Brad fighting the army, he gets these EXTRA ANIMATED+STRONGER VERSIONS HIS ATTACKS (It's the Joy that does this) and he gets the SCREAM/CRY ability as well (Mind you, this is the same ability as THOSE MESSED UP CREATURES!!! *hint**Hint*)
but when he uses CRY, he cries for LISA.....NOT BUDDY!!!

6. Someone posted a Dialog of every friend you are with when they betray you/switch sides and some of them had really good points! "Ajeet Mandeep" had one of the best ones!!!

All of this dies down to the fact that Brad sadly could just not get over the fact that he couldn't save his little sister, and i don't know how it feels to see a relative of yours kill themselves and you wish YOU COULD OF DONE SOMETHING.
But im sure if Brad talked to his friends, they would of told him that LISA KILLING HERSELF WAS NOT YOUR FAULT.

Overall i do feel sorry for Brad, it saddens my heart, but i think DEATH for him would of been the best for him at this point.

[Commissar Jake]

I've actually got a feeling that Brad had most likely been taking a Lethal dose for years, he was done for regardless. But, his will to protect Buddy was what was keeping him Human.

Sure Brad was a 'Nothing' but he had (Atleast the Idea of) Buddy to hold him together, but the moment she truely rejected him he became a 'Failure' and started to mutate. That makes me think that only when people give into Joy they change. (We can tell that as Joy turns people Insane and then they phyiscally change)

So yeah, Brad becoming a dangerous Joy mutant (Or at least starting to become one) at the fight with his 'Friends' & the Rando army makes sense as he has nothing left to hold him back.

[FZeroRacer]

I'd say he was entirely justified in 80% of the things he did. Especially if you've played LISA the First and put together how much of a ♥♥♥♥ Marty was, something like that would ♥♥♥♥ up anyones perspective beyond hard.

At the point you fight Rando's army, he's pretty much already gone and berserk from Joy.

[KouKou]

I like to think that Buzzu was a poor kid who lived next door that knew everything and fell inlove with Lisa.

[Dejojo]

In the final fight, I think the fire element is really the key thing to look at. The description for the fireball ability throughout the game reads something along the lines of "a blast of emotion". In the final fight, not only is this fireblast at its strongest, but all of Brad's other abilities become imbued with that same flame. Plus the lines where he says that he has been dead for 35 years and that was they day he would live indicates that Brad's compulsion to protect Buddy and his emotional investment in his quest to do so comes from his pathological guilt over his sister's death. I assume that the day his sister committed suicide was the day he died emotionally and that by rescuing Buddy, he believes he can redeem himself from his inability to protect Lisa.

Brad is not a bad person but he is using Buddy to relive his childhood and this time he is determined to "do the right thing", to protect Buddy or Lisa physically from her male abusers. The issue is that Buddy is not being abused in the same way Lisa was; Brad's obsession centres around the physical protection of Buddy from abuse rather than the emotional damage she suffers at his own hands, the physical abuse of her clawing or loss of her nipple does not actually seem to bother that much, or at least she does not blame Brad for them.

In the end, Brad is trying to find redemption. The Buddy/Lisa dichotomy warps his perception of what the right thing for her is and is his attempts to do this "right thing", he does the "wrong thing". He is not a bad person, he is simply too messed up emotionally too powerful physically to be a good person.

[BelieveNYoSelf]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dejojo:

In the final fight, I think the fire element is really the key thing to look at. The description for the fireball ability throughout the game reads something along the lines of "a blast of emotion". In the final fight, not only is this fireblast at its strongest, but all of Brad's other abilities become imbued with that same flame. Plus the lines where he says that he has been dead for 35 years and that was they day he would live indicates that Brad's compulsion to protect Buddy and his emotional investment in his quest to do so comes from his pathological guilt over his sister's death. I assume that the day his sister committed suicide was the day he died emotionally and that by rescuing Buddy, he believes he can redeem himself from his inability to protect Lisa.

Brad is not a bad person but he is using Buddy to relive his childhood and this time he is determined to "do the right thing", to protect Buddy or Lisa physically from her male abusers. The issue is that Buddy is not being abused in the same way Lisa was; Brad's obsession centres around the physical protection of Buddy from abuse rather than the emotional damage she suffers at his own hands, the physical abuse of her clawing or loss of her nipple does not actually seem to bother that much, or at least she does not blame Brad for them.

In the end, Brad is trying to find redemption. The Buddy/Lisa dichotomy warps his perception of what the right thing for her is and is his attempts to do this "right thing", he does the "wrong thing". He is not a bad person, he is simply too messed up emotionally too powerful physically to be a good person.

Right, now after multiple gameplays and hearing everyone's perspecvtive to further enlighten my own, its obvious that Brad is neither good or bad. But i PERSONALLY FEEL that Brad had a kind heart, and had the potential to be a great man, but his adversities mixed with his bad decisions in life as well as the Joy consumption ruined his Mind.

Even "PROTECTING BUDDY AT ALL COST" seemed like another way to escape his problems, always running away.

1. Running away from accepting the fact that Lisa dying wasnt his fault
2. using painkillers and Joy to escape his pain
3. One of the scenes shows Brad at Lisa's funeral, and if you try to go back where you came from you will see the subtitles below saying "STOP RUNNING"
4.(SPOILER-PAIN MODE ENDING) And even running away from Dusty(Rando) when he seen that someone(Most liekly Buzzo) skinned his face and when he heard that "this was for Lisa" He ran away instead of facing the person who did that to Dusty!!!

And it's easy to say that Brad is a "Coward" but you truly can't say anything to anyone without at least truly understanding EVERYTHING they have been through and walking in their shoes. And you have people like "Sticky" who has been in a similar situation like Brad, accept they took two different Paths.
Sticky chose to stay positive and Brad Chose to drown in pain,regret,guilt, negativity and drugs. But everyone is different, we're all human,we react/respond to things differently, regardless if its the EXACT SAME SITUATION. I mean Brad's entire life he was not shown any kind of affection from ANYONE...that in itself breaks my damn heart. We dont always make the best choices for ourselves. But as fuqed up as Brad was...TO HIM...he thought he was doing the right thing...until it was too late to question himself.
And when you are done playing this game, at the end of the day all Brad was is a human, trying his best to do SOMETHING good in his life....even if in reality he is just using Buddy as another excuse to continue running away from his problems.

I truly believe at this point, especially since Brad is a mutant, death is the best thing for the guy, hopefully someone kills him so he can finally get some kind of peace.

[Carthias]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Enix - BOYCOTT SONIC BOOM:

Did Sticky molest/rape Buddy? I have a lot of trouble with feeling sorry for Sticky if he did. I think Brad really had his heart in the right place, but if only he talked it out with Rando/other sane people not looking to use her. They could have let her grow and become an adult to make her own choices, but sadly the world and circumstances were very harsh causing violence to seem to be the only answer. I think the hard part about looking at this is realizing how ♥♥♥♥ the world is in the game. People would turn into monsters(and in this world not just metaphorically) and it's hard to gauge why exactly Brad reacted to things the way he did.

In LISA 1 it is heavily implied that Brad leaves/runs away from home at a young age leaving Marty with Lisa, Lisa is sexually molested and ends up killing herself. It's why Brad feels so guilty and has the hallucinations he does. It is also why he flys into a rage at the sight of Marty and when he hears about Sticky + possibly other uncles molesting buddy he beats the ♥♥♥♥ out of them. Just the idea that people would use buddy for sex was too strong of a link to what happened to Lisa and instantly sends Brad into defending Buddy.

[Big Brother Thunder]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SikeNaw:

6. Someone posted a Dialog of every friend you are with when they betray you/switch sides and some of them had really good points! "Ajeet Mandeep" had one of the best ones!!!

Can't find it anywhere! Could you point me in the right direction? would love to see that

[Ajogamer]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย old dirt dog:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SikeNaw:

6. Someone posted a Dialog of every friend you are with when they betray you/switch sides and some of them had really good points! "Ajeet Mandeep" had one of the best ones!!!

Can't find it anywhere! Could you point me in the right direction? would love to see that

Here's the topic with all the companion ending quotes:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/335670/discussions/0/626329820776536794/

[Sally]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ajogamer:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย old dirt dog:

Can't find it anywhere! Could you point me in the right direction? would love to see that

Here's the topic with all the companion ending quotes:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/335670/discussions/0/626329820776536794/

Thanks a ton, I was going to ask for this myself. Terry is so damn touching!

[Korektor]

A few things to consider;
Usually the ones raising you will be considered your real parents. Brad, having raised Buddy, became her most legitimate father and protector.
Second, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Would you risk delegating the fate of the world to somebody else, knowing you can do it yourself? Brad's mistake was trusting his friends to protect her as well. If you can't count on your own friends you grew up with, can you count on a shifty character like Rando?
Thirdly, had Brad really been half as sick as most characters in the game, he would have copulated with her, but he didn't. Yes, he was struggling with addiction and not coping with his past.Some argue Sticky turned out better, but he betrayed his friend and raped Buddy! From the very first scene in the game, when Brad takes a hit from bullies for Rick, you could tell which friends were loyal in that group.
Lastly, yes, Lisa's death would have been a motivation to turn Buddy into a "second chance", but I speculate Brad had a inert paternal/protective spirit to begin with and would have hidden Buddy regardless if Lisa lived or not. His addiction was a serious flop in parenting, but we can tell he truly, honestly, often desperately did what he thought was best for Buddy, albeit the many times he has failed as a parent.

[Ed K]

I must agree with Korektor, as even though we see Rando to be a morally faultless individual, he is shown repeatedly to be disobeyed by his army, it seems that the reason they follow him is because he is so powerful.

This leads me to understand, that not only did brad believe he was doing what he thought was the best for Buddy, but in most cases it really was the best thing.

Like Korektor has noted, the only real abuse Brad put Buddy through was him being an addict and by extension neglectful/distant, which is a real problem.

However what many fail to realize that the argument of "but how about Buddy's choice and autonomy" is incredibly silly, for children rely on the providence of their elders for protection, they are vulnerable, dumb and naïve, there can be no conversation about "her autonomy" in principle, because one of the prerequisites of such a conversation require the agent (this case Buddy) to be capable of understanding a situation fully, that is why we call deals made by fraud as non-binding (since one party did not understand secret intentions or how the thing was set up).

Under Rando, Buddy would be a giant bull'seye for freaks and perverts to try and mount a war against Rando because everyone would know, and his army would no doubt abuse the girl as Rando could not watch over her so she would have to copulate way before her time and be reduced to a baby-machine as people desparately attempt to restart humanity.

And I hold that humanity (especially such as this) is not worth such a wretched existence of a single child, just to perpetuate a bit longer. So brad was right any way you slice it.

[BelieveNYoSelf]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Korektor:

A few things to consider;
Usually the ones raising you will be considered your real parents. Brad, having raised Buddy, became her most legitimate father and protector.
Second, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Would you risk delegating the fate of the world to somebody else, knowing you can do it yourself? Brad's mistake was trusting his friends to protect her as well. If you can't count on your own friends you grew up with, can you count on a shifty character like Rando?
Thirdly, had Brad really been half as sick as most characters in the game, he would have copulated with her, but he didn't. Yes, he was struggling with addiction and not coping with his past.Some argue Sticky turned out better, but he betrayed his friend and raped Buddy! From the very first scene in the game, when Brad takes a hit from bullies for Rick, you could tell which friends were loyal in that group.
Lastly, yes, Lisa's death would have been a motivation to turn Buddy into a "second chance", but I speculate Brad had a inert paternal/protective spirit to begin with and would have hidden Buddy regardless if Lisa lived or not. His addiction was a serious flop in parenting, but we can tell he truly, honestly, often desperately did what he thought was best for Buddy, albeit the many times he has failed as a parent.

The only thing i have to say about this comment, It IS NOT CONFIRMED that sticky had sex with Buddy, as much as it sound like it did. I thought so too but after sharing opinions with others we will only know playing LISA-2

Besides that. Nicely said. My quote for Brad to sum things up for him is that he is a man with a GOOD HEART but a FUQED UP MIND. :P

[BelieveNYoSelf]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CrimsonPact:

I must agree with Korektor, as even though we see Rando to be a morally faultless individual, he is shown repeatedly to be disobeyed by his army, it seems that the reason they follow him is because he is so powerful.

This leads me to understand, that not only did brad believe he was doing what he thought was the best for Buddy, but in most cases it really was the best thing.

Like Korektor has noted, the only real abuse Brad put Buddy through was him being an addict and by extension neglectful/distant, which is a real problem.

However what many fail to realize that the argument of "but how about Buddy's choice and autonomy" is incredibly silly, for children rely on the providence of their elders for protection, they are vulnerable, dumb and naïve, there can be no conversation about "her autonomy" in principle, because one of the prerequisites of such a conversation require the agent (this case Buddy) to be capable of understanding a situation fully, that is why we call deals made by fraud as non-binding (since one party did not understand secret intentions or how the thing was set up).

Under Rando, Buddy would be a giant bull'seye for freaks and perverts to try and mount a war against Rando because everyone would know, and his army would no doubt abuse the girl as Rando could not watch over her so she would have to copulate way before her time and be reduced to a baby-machine as people desparately attempt to restart humanity.

And I hold that humanity (especially such as this) is not worth such a wretched existence of a single child, just to perpetuate a bit longer. So brad was right any way you slice it.

WOW i never thought of that!!!! A crazy war would of definitely sound very possible if everyone found out Rando had her!

But in reality even if Brad got Buddy, with the amount of Joy he consumed, his fate was already sealed sadly, poor guy.I doubt he'd be able to see her make it to age 16-18 without transforming.

[Ajogamer]

I feel mixed in terms of Brad doing the right thing. On one hand, I think he was right to hide and protect her initially, for many of the reasons others described above, though once he situation changed and the secret was out, I find Brad's judgements to be more mixed. I was with him for a good portion of the way, but going through Rando and his entire army was where I feel he really crossed the line. It's certainly true that Rando, nice as he is, likely would have been unable to watch over and protect her 24/7, but the fact's that once the secret was out, there's no taking that back. Even if Brad did manage to take Buddy back, survive, and have Buddy's cooperation, they'd still be a major target, so I think it would have been both safer and smarter for Brad to try working with or negotiating with Rando.

Rando not only seems to be a really nice and genuine guy who didn't want to fight, but he also respects Brad to the point he reveres him and sees him as a father figure, so I really think Rando would have been willing to listen to Brad, and I imagine he'd have let Brad stick around and help protect, guard and raise Buddy. I could definitely see how her being that close to so many men may seem dangerous, but at the same time, an army could come in handy with how big a target Buddy would likely be, and with both Brad and Rando together, it may be possible for there to always be one of them by her (and even if not, it would still likely be a notably better situation than the way it all went down at the end of the game).

I definitely sympathize with Brad, and even don't blame him for the most part (since I feel the Joy majorly clouded his judgement in multiple instances), but I can't say he did the right thing overall. He definitely had his heart in the right place, but in terms of his actual decisions, it feels about 50/50 to me.

[Korektor]

Many points are true. There's also a speculation Brad may have transformed only because of the large quantity Buzzo forced him to take, so perhaps he may have been able to protect her to adulthood afterall.
We can also say that since the secret came out, there was no sense in keeping Buddy anymore now that she had Rando's protection. I would argue that even at that point, as the main stakeholder to Buddy's safety, Brad would have still relied on himself exclusively to protect her. Had he known Rando was his devout student, and I'm only assuming he didn't know, yes, the logical choice would have been to have just talked it out once the secret was out. However, the most important lesson in the game was "trust nobody". Neither your childhood friends, nor your followers.
And yeah. We don't 100% know if Sticky sticked it to Buddy, but I think it's sufficiently implied to assume it is. From a creative standpoint, it would be poor writing and maybe a little too edgy to make it plainly obvious.