!HEAVY SPOILERS! LISA theories based on comparisons between the first and second game.

[Void]

So, after playing LISA: The Painful RPG, and enjoying every briliantly dark moment of it I might add, I heard of a prequel that was made much earlier that explains more things about the character Lisa, who was surprisingly very seldom mentioned in the sequel. I noticed a few interesting things that may just end up having been references to the first game, but I figured I might as well talk about them.

First, the character "Tricky Rick" who shows up in the first game, seemed to be a character that symbolized the sexual abuse she received. At first, it would probably be reasonable to assume it was Marty that abused her, but looking at this game after having played the second one, I think the expanded story alludes to it being the character Rick himself who molested her. Considering he shares both a namesake and a striking resemblance to Tricky Rick from the first game. Hell, there's even points where he's described as having a ♥♥♥♥ head, iirc. This is very disturbing, considering it would have been someone that Brad trusted the most to cause Lisa so much pain. Something else that supports this is how after Brad's flashback where he's talking specifically to Rick, where Rick talks about how awful his life is and how he envies Brad, Lisa appears and asks Brad something along the lines of "What about me?". Nothing concrete, and it could be very likely that Rick's name and appearance are just referential to the character Tricky Rick and nothing more, but I found it to be interesting all the same.

Secondly, for the final ending of the game, where Lisa used the final VHS and approaches a figure facing away from her, that begs for Lisa's forgiveness for leaving. I can only assume this is supposed to represent her mother, who as we know from LISA: RPG, their mother was already gone though Lisa was only a baby, and considering there was no implication that she actually died in the second game, even though she says "I didn't want to die" in the first, it can only be assumed that her mother abandoned them all. It also makes sense that this character had Marty's face, considering Lisa would not know what her mother looked like except perhaps hazy memories of her figure. Now, the thing I noticed about this character and her similarities to a person from Lisa RPG was very subtle, but the implications would be monumental.

http://imgur.com/GLLy7kK

If you look at the color of the shirt of who I assume is Lisa's Mother, and the color of the shirt of the woman Dr. Yado left in the Joy Lab, you can see they're very similar in color. Not to mention that both of them have long black hair. Now, this woman is considered by most to be Dr. Yado's Wife, who was locked away after he decided to use their daughter for experimentation, as explained by the doctor himself in the Joyless ending. Monumental implications indeed, because if this has any truth to it at all, it would imply that after leaving Marty, Lisa's mother fell for Dr. Yado, who, if it could be implied that he is indeed the Trumpet Man, was seen in Olathe during the prologue while Brad was a child. If Yado was indeed in town, it could be assumed that they could have met. Considering the fact that Yado is a decently stylish man and probably well-off (if his career in making drugs for warfare is any indication), it's understandable that Lisa's mother would fall for him. Especially considering the fact that she's willing to leave her own children in order to improve her own life.

Now, to stretch this tenuous thread even further, it's been speculated that Buddy might be Yado's daughter, meaning that Buddy is also Brad's half-sister as well as his adopted daughter. Imagine how Buddy's resemblance to Lisa would have manipulated Brad's mind into accepting Buddy as a substitute. So much so, that he even calls her Lisa after seeing her while in his mutation.

Considering the timeline, I think it's possible that this could work. It's not specifically stated, but from Brad's childhood to the flash, it seems like about 15 years took place, since Brad looks to be about 10 years old, then 25 at the Flash wouldn't be too hard to believe, then finding Buddy maybe a year later. Followed by about 9 years to the beginning of the game, as Buddy is still considered to be a child. For this theory to work, their child would have had to be conceived either at the flash, or slightly after the flash, followed by who-knows-what awful experiments done on the child, followed by Yado leaving Buddy in Brad's care while keeping an eye on him in his Trumpet Man persona.

TL;DR- Yado shacked up with Brad's mom and eventually made Buddy, based on the fact that a shirt was a certain color.

So yeah, those are my theories, as crazy and rambling as they no doubt are. Any feedback would be cool, I guess.

[fool]

This is a really good theory. I have beaten the 2nd game about fifteen minutes ago, so I was really confused what to think. Your point of view has helped me a lot. Thanks.

[Void]

Yeah, it's interesting to come up with theories about this game since it gives such interesting clues, but leaves a lot of stuff very ambiguous.

Also, I think another clue that it was the Trumpet Man that left Buddy behind is that you hear the Trumpet music when you're heading back to Brad's house after finding Buddy. It's a very interesting little detail.

[Ontan]

The phallic shaped head they described in LTPR is supposed to be Sticky, not Rick.

[Void]

Hmm, yeah, you know I thought that at first too, but wasn't sure after learning about Tricky Rick, I'll have to go back and check that out.

[Ichidoge]

I think both Rick and Sticky have phallic shaped heads; Sticky is quite obvious, although it's more or less a cartoony phallus. With Rick, you only need to see it upside-down... the cheekbones look like THE head, and his chin would be the urethra. However, I think it's just a shout-out to Tricky Rick. This Rick is actually jealous of Brad, or that's what I think at least.

[Void]

Yeah, I has speculated that that was the case as well, with Rick merely being an homage, but I find it odd how he was made such a prominent character. If it was merely referential, you'd think it would be an easter egg, or something more obscure. And hey, I mean, what greater motivation than jealousy to cause Rick to "take" something from Brad, namely, Lisa, and later, Buddy.

[Beardfist]

Marty was middle aged when Yado was in his prime. And Brad is in his 30s when LISA takes place. Yado getting busy with Brad's mom doesn't really make any sense. Brad's mom leaving or dying I could believe, but her leaving and getting with a man 15-20 years younger than her and then producing a baby 10 years after doesn't really make much sense, and if she's as old as Marty its almost physically impossible.

[Void]

I dunno, in the prologue, it looks as if Yado could be anywhere from his mid 20's to mid 30's. Also, since Brad is bald in his mid 30's as well, it's safe to assume Marty was the same. The ages are too ambiguous to make any solid judgements, especially considering the vastly varying ages which male pattern baldness and greying can occur, leaving the ages in the ballpark of believability. But still, yeah, it's a pretty farfetched theory and probably entirely false, anyway. lol

[LastSurvivor]

If that was Brad's mom then how come Brad didn't recognized her?

[Void]

Her aging, forgetting what she looks like over time, and who'd think to see their mother caged in a secret lab?

It's fun to see how long I can justify this. rofl

[LateNightRetro]

Originally posted by Bad-assDude:

If that was Brad's mom then how come Brad didn't recognized her?

He might of, but didn't care. If it was just some sprawled out corpse. Why put it in a whole nother room with a note by it? Unless it was something of significance.

[Hermi]

One whole in this theroy is the True ending of the first Lisa game coupled with the prolouge of this one. Lisa's mother most likely died during childirth, this sent marty into a depressive spiral where he became a heavy drinker and blamed Lisa for his wifes death, henace the abuse. Brad was an unfortunate bystander in all of this and he, having known his mother while lisa didnt also lost alot more than we realize. It wouldnt make sense for thier mother to up and leave if everything was alright and if marty was always an abusive drunk she would, out of motherly instinct want to take the kids with her to save them from the abuse?

[Void]

Hmm, yeah, that does make more sense. Though if she did leave them, it's not unheard of for a woman to leave her entire family. The responsibility can crush anyone, especially if the home was similarly broken as it was after she left.

[LateNightRetro]

Originally posted by SugarSnacks:

One whole in this theroy is the True ending of the first Lisa game coupled with the prolouge of this one. Lisa's mother most likely died during childirth, this sent marty into a depressive spiral where he became a heavy drinker and blamed Lisa for his wifes death, henace the abuse. Brad was an unfortunate bystander in all of this and he, having known his mother while lisa didnt also lost alot more than we realize. It wouldnt make sense for thier mother to up and leave if everything was alright and if marty was always an abusive drunk she would, out of motherly instinct want to take the kids with her to save them from the abuse?

Nice reply +1

[GeorgeTheNoob]

This is pretty late but lets see if anyone support this theory, got to say that i haven't really played the games so this is made by what i know, feel free to apport evidence or refuse it.

My theory is that actually Lisa and Brad escaped together from Marty. As far as i know in Lisa: The painful there are flshbacks with lisa where also appear Brad's friends, i believe that Marty wouldn't have let Lisa interact with other people so she had to know them once she escaped.

Another point is what it has already be said about Rick and Tricky Rick, it could be that Rick and Lisa Dated but Rick was abussive sometimes.

From there the theory is that Lisa: The first could actually be inside Lisa's mind. We can see how Marty's abusse is able to penetrate Brad's head and maybe Lisa wasn't able to forget him neither. The game could be just Lisa trying to forget the past or a nightmare. I mean, at the begining everything seems normal until we escape to the forest, if she was actually in Marty's house that wouldn't happen.

This leads to the next point, maybe lisa didn't commit suicide she just went away from Brad. Before the flash, he was already a joy user, maybe he started to neglect Lisa and this with Rick abuse could have made her escape from them.

Then Brad wouldn't feel bad for Lisa's suicide instread it would be because his neglect for Lisa.