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Actually, that's one new and really interesting theory. The only person who can comfirm or refute this, is Ding, but he doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about community theories (Of course, there's few exceptions, but they are not really helpful).
In a flashback it was revealed that only Brad showed at Lisa's funeral, so I thought Buzzo could've shown up later to steal the coffin in order to salvage Lisa in whatever way he could.
Additionally, it could've been Lisa's face that was mutilated. It parallels nicely with Rando's condition, and I believe a hallucination of a bloody-faced Lisa is shown in the painful somewhere. This would be why Sweetheart's face is obscured with hair.
First off, we see in the menu for The Joyful, and Buzzo scene after that Joy Lab, that Lisa got her face cut off (and in Lisa ending it's implied that Buzzo was forced to do it by her, which, by the way, explains why Buzzo went after Rando's face). Sweetheart got her face intact (disfigured, yes, but not cut).
Second, lot's of Lisa's hallucinations in The Painful show her hanged and a trailer for The Painful literally says LISA IS DEAD. I doubt she had enough time to live until the Joy got invented and change.
Third, how Buzzo didn't know this? If Buzzo would discover something like this, he would shove a bucket of Joy down Yado's throat and slowly dismember him. Also, in the end of the Joyful he said "She would love it here", which implies that she didn't made it here.
Nope. Dingaling said that it wasn't face that was cut.
The enemy names you see in the game are not supposed to be from the perspective of party members. There's no way they would have known any variety of the enemy's names since they're strangers who didn't introduce themselves but for the most part just lunged on your party. But there they are.
Lisa would have died many years before Buddy was even born, when Buzzo would have still been an adolescent/teenager. Hard to imagine they really had access to Joy back then.
It's not necessarily the case that Sweetheart was acting of her own volition when saving Buddy either. In Joyful's opening text you can see Yado was concerned about Buddy and asked if Rando was a reliable protector. I'm guessing he wanted Buddy to be safe long enough to turn into a Joy mutant. He was surprised when she was still unmutated at the end. At this point he either gave up interest or "programmed" Sweetheart to push her into mutating while stopping short of killing her.
"I can't do this anymore" Must refer to hating Brad and causing pain to him. You know this because he says nearly those exact lines again at the very end of the game. It also is the trigger for the ending/scenes where Buddy slightly forgives (or understands) Brad. Thematically, that coffin is Brad.
That only adds to the rather solid evidence that "Sweetheart" is Lisa. She may well have died long ago. It seems some people forgot that dying appears to cause mutation as well.
There is a lot of evidence pointing towards the Joy's existence before "The Flash." First and foremost, where would these pills be manufactured, if not created before the apparent destruction of all major technology? Even cars appear rare. Pill presses and highly stable chemical compounds suggest professional (or at least, knowledgable) creators and technology.
Most of all, Yado must have had a plan for the Joy mutants in some way before everything went to hell. See: the existence of multiple labs, dialogues including him. Nothing about the original LISA game directly states she never took drugs.
In fact, the ending dialogue where Marty forces Brad to "Take this," heavily implies that Marty forced Joy on Brad (and likely, Lisa). This is because there is only one drug or thing "taken" ever mentioned in a vague manner in the entirety of the game. Alcohol/Beer is referred to by name or drink, but even Brad describes Joy in vague terms (e.x. "I don't do 'that' anymore").
Finally, "Sweetheart" is clearly a twisted female form. There have only been 2 females in the story: Lisa, and Buddy. (Yado's lover/Buddy's mother is found as a corpse and therefore cannot be Sweetheart.) They look similar, as many of the cast note.
Look at Sweetheart. Look at Buddy's mutated form in the "Join Them" ending.
Most of this is extremely basic plot analysis, stuff a literal 8th grader should be able to do.
Yeah, to Joy addicts at the time of their death (if they really do even die as opposed to approaching death), not some undisclosed time much later. That's not a thing we've seen happen, although there aren't a lot of examples of transformation shown to begin with.
Lisa died many years before the flash. That is, if the flashback with Brad and Rick and his teenage "son" adds up at all. They'd be in their mid-30s or so, Lisa was a teenager when she killed herself, and while Brad is older than Lisa it's not that much older.
I don't dispute the possibility that those labs were started long before the flash, especially since Yado was already in Olathe when Brad was just a kid. But if Joy was already turning people into mutants as effectively as Sweetheart so long ago what were Yado and Buzzo doing for all those years drawing out the experiments? Only after Buddy was born was Buzzo telling Yado that it was all for naught.
When Marty says "Here, boy. I said, here. Take it!" you can hear the sound of bottles clanging. I know you really want this theory to be supported but please don't tell me Joy used to come in bottles.
A lot of the other Joy mutants look like each other too. It could be as simple as female Joy mutants in general being distinct from the male ones and looking like this.
A: 10 year old Bernard somehow knew Yado, and at the time they were aware of Joys adverse effects. It seems unlikely this information would make it to Buzzo
B: Buzzo for some reason decided to give Lisa joy knowing full well what it did to people.
C: Alternatively, Lisa is somehow related to yado, he had access to her, and he chose to give the drug to her in it's early stages of military testing. Why?
I don't think there's really any solid evidence backing the theory, though I do wonder who sweetheart is.
Because the last leaving girl in the planet is going to be victim of sexual harassment, Lisa, or another woman in the world is going to be a victim of sexual harassment
There's no solid evidence of a lot of things in the game, besides, a lot of things happen from the protagonist's perspective. We know Han Tsunami is real, but what about the Devil's Bathhouse? Players still argue if it was real or just a hallucination. Also, don't forget the last campfire in the third crossroads of Painful: lots of Lisas staring at Brad while he sleeps. They're always there, no matter what you do, and I doubt they're real.
As for drug mention in The First, you actually kill one of the Tricky Ricks with a bottle of pills, and the description says something like "Some of his old pills". It never says it was Joy, and at this point, we know Joy pills are blue, while the "old pills" are white.
And don't forget that every time Sweetheart appears, Yado is playing the trumpet, except the first time, when Sweetheart kills Bolo's gang. If Rando and Buddy hadn't run away, Sweetheart could have easily killed them.
Brad can't be put in a coffin for his big mutated size. And he's still alive as a mutant as seen in the end of the game.
Hallucinations of characters can either show up temporarily or regulary.
However, locations have only been temporary (such as Brad's flashbacks of Pain Killers, dojo...).
Yes, it's true the game has no solid evidences. But we must find as much solid evidences as possible in order to prove a theory.
One other point I found to prove Sweetheart can be Lisa:
When Buzzo comes from his fight against Sweetheart to kill Yado, The dialogue between him and Buddy goes as follows:
Buzzo:"...You should know something.
Brad was a good person.
What's happened to you wasn't his fault.
It's hers.
She twisted me up so much inside...
I loved her.
When she died... I had to blame anyone but myself..."
We all know he's talking about Lisa, but he referred to her in 3rd person as if Buddy should know of whom he's talking about.
Well, it could be a case where he's slightly talking to himself, but he started the conversation sanely.
I know he said she died, and that she didn't make it into the world.
Perhaps this is due to his knowledge that once one becomes a mutant, he dies, and the mutant is only his inner desires in control, as mentioned in one of the dialogues between Buzzo and Yado.
As for dying before Joy was spread, could be. But remember the solid fact that her coffin was in a Joy lab/station?
He's dying. He doesn't have a lot of time to explain who he's talking about.
It's not a solid fact that her coffin was there. Only a solid fact that a coffin was. If it really is hers that would probably mean that he dug it up later.
Lisa had a funeral. We saw a flashback to it. They're not going to just let some adolescent kid take off with her coffin instead of burying it in the ground (or whatever they decided to do with it). That just isn't going to fly. Likewise, if a giant Joy mutant randomly burst from out of the ground and went on a wild rampage I think people would have noticed, although I suppose we can't say for sure that didn't happen.
Still, if her corpse was around long enough to have a funeral it's a pretty good chance she didn't turn into a Joy mutant when she died. So even if you're insistent that Joy was perfected decades before the game started you have to ask yourself, why did she only mutate for some period of time after dying when the other cases we've seen show mutation to be immediate?
You mean Nancy is Sweetheart? That's an interesting theory but I doubt it. Here's the exchange on Nancy:
If Yado used Sweetheart for anything before Joyful it's very unclear what he was actually accomplishing. It also would seem that Buzzo can infer Yado's plan without him saying it, which sort of makes sense if this is after the flash and Nancy is Buddy. But if Nancy isn't Buddy then it doesn't really follow.
That and Yado calls Buddy his daughter, although I guess it's plausible that he had more than one. This theory just seems really obfuscated and far away from what looks like the obvious, intended interpretation of these exchanges.