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[Goat?]

I've come to the realization that this thread really didn't need to be made. It was made out of contempt, and I don't want to be the kind of person that spreads negativity, especially when there's no reason to.

[$ext Man]

Yeah I've seen it too as a third person. I don't know why the fans of lisa hate undertale, maybe its out of jealousy? I believe its because undertale has more highy rated while lisa is... UNDERated. (I'm going to hell) Aways, its part of the three sins of the commuinty the other two are, joyful and saying something bad about pointless.

[bridgeofblues]

I'm both a big undertale and Lisa fan. I play Lisa the first when it first came out I kick started Lisa the painful.

So pretty much from the fanbase I could say it is animosity because of undertale success and then how obnoxious the fanbase can appear to be and is. Where Lisa has an intensely more small cult following. And it fan basis been growing in trickling over the years.

For example I love undertale I think it actually has some great metaphorical commentary about gaming I tried talking about that with the undertale community and I got my bitten off. From my own experience with the undertale community mostly care about shipping and chara did nothing wrong. We're at least and Lisa we have occasionally philosophical conversations about the justification of Brad.

[Goat?]

Originally posted by Dr. Bootleg:

Yeah I've seen it too as a third person. I don't know why the fans of lisa hate undertale, maybe its out of jealousy? I believe its because undertale has more highy rated while lisa is... UNDERated. (I'm going to hell) Aways, its part of the three sins of the commuinty the other two are, joyful and saying something bad about pointless.

I feel like that's a bit part of it, yeah. Undertale seems to have "stolen the spotlight" from LISA according to a few interactions I've had with some of the fans. Which seems pretty dumb considering Undertale was released 9 months afterwards.

[Goat?]

Originally posted by bridgeofblues:

I'm both a big undertale and Lisa fan. I play Lisa the first when it first came out I kick started Lisa the painful.

So pretty much from the fanbase I could say it is animosity because of undertale success and then how obnoxious the fanbase can appear to be and is. Where Lisa has an intensely more small cult following. And it fan basis been growing in trickling over the years.

For example I love undertale I think it actually has some great metaphorical commentary about gaming I tried talking about that with the undertale community and I got my bitten off. From my own experience with the undertale community mostly care about shipping and chara did nothing wrong. We're at least and Lisa we have occasionally philosophical conversations about the justification of Brad.

Those are the sort of conversations I would have LIKED to have with the community honestly. The philosophy of Brad's actions, right vs wrong, instead I just get told to kill myself lmao.

[bridgeofblues]

Originally posted by Goat boy:

Originally posted by bridgeofblues:

I'm both a big undertale and Lisa fan. I play Lisa the first when it first came out I kick started Lisa the painful.

So pretty much from the fanbase I could say it is animosity because of undertale success and then how obnoxious the fanbase can appear to be and is. Where Lisa has an intensely more small cult following. And it fan basis been growing in trickling over the years.

For example I love undertale I think it actually has some great metaphorical commentary about gaming I tried talking about that with the undertale community and I got my bitten off. From my own experience with the undertale community mostly care about shipping and chara did nothing wrong. We're at least and Lisa we have occasionally philosophical conversations about the justification of Brad.

Those are the sort of conversations I would have LIKED to have with the community honestly. The philosophy of Brad's actions, right vs wrong, instead I just get told to kill myself lmao.

Or the weird hate for buddy who you have to understand the context is on and Drug the entire time or playing her.

If I'm going to apply secular ethics to Brad I look at him through principle of utility perspective and I cannot say a categorical imperative because he does objectify people. And by the action of the utility of what he's trying to protect which is protect Buddy and make sure she's safe the poor man's good intentions fails because he fails at both. With the principle of utility or the followed by the principle of greatest happiness poor Brad fails. That being said I think overall he's genuinely trying to be a good man did he do the right thing no was his intentions good yes was his execution flaw even more so ruin his actions.

[FulvousFox]

The community was at some point fairly simple I would say. I was here from the start and I can't say I've had that many issues with the community up until now.

At most I can assume this is due to a huge drop of interest in the game, given how old it is, and most people within a dedicated section of the community now are just bitter stragglers. Ironically much like those of the LISA universe.

Nothing can truly be done about it, but if anything it's a product of a game's age catching up with it. I knew plenty of LISA community members who were fantastic people, but just sorta ended up dropping the game sometime after Joyful released.

[bridgeofblues]

Originally posted by Fox:

The community was at some point fairly simple I would say. I was here from the start and I can't say I've had that many issues with the community up until now.

At most I can assume this is due to a huge drop of interest in the game, given how old it is, and most people within a dedicated section of the community now are just bitter stragglers. Ironically much like those of the LISA universe.

Nothing can truly be done about it, but if anything it's a product of a game's age catching up with it. I knew plenty of LISA community members who were fantastic people, but just sorta ended up dropping the game sometime after Joyful released. :rickweeks:

I personally love Joyful what hate for?

From what I see it how buddy act yet it with the plot she is on Joy the entire time.

[Theblender2000]

While i say that LISA is better than undertale, there is no reason to say undertale isnt a good game, its just a little overhyped


besides we need some new people coming into the community,

but yeah ive never really seen it unfold before my eyes,

[a weed]

Originally posted by Goat boy:

I just finished LISA: The Painful and LISA: The Joyful earlier this week. But before then, I'd known about the game itself for almost 2 years. I really wanted to check it out because I'm a huge fan of Earthbound and Earthbound inspired games. But something prevented me from doing so up until this week; the fandom.

I'd wanted to learn more about LISA since I heard about it, and I thought I knew just the place to do it. I'm a beta tester for a social media app on iPhone and Android (I won't say which for privacy reasons) and I run an Undertale account, because, like I said, I am a fan of other Earthbound inspired games.

I ended up making a public post about it, basically an inquiry for someone to help nudge me in the right direction before playing. I just wanted to ask simple questions. Things like, "Should I use a walkthrough?" or, "Do I need to play LISA: The First?" Really simple questions.

Instead, I ended up getting a ♥♥♥♥ ton of messages along the lines of, "STAY THE ♥♥♥♥ AWAY FROM OUR COMMUNITY," and, "KILL YOURSELF UNDERTALE ♥♥♥♥♥♥." Since then, I still don't believe I've ever had a positive interaction with anyone in the LISA fandom. Every time I attempt to the conversation always drifts towards Undertale and how horrible of a person I am for liking it.

So I just need to ask, has anyone else had experiences like this with this community? It's honestly jarring that such an amazing game has a communty of people that don't seem to want to support its growth simply because they meet people with different opinions than them...

Don't forget that most people online are children, neckbeards, or normalfags.
And a large amount of people love to ♥♥♥♥ on undertale ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they're like the anime profile pictures of the gaming commmunity.

[UNCLEWOKIAN DANEBOT MIND-VIRUS]

I hope you only ran into an exception here because I've never seen any LISA fan act that hostile.
Maybe I only visit the right places. I haven't seen that much hate on Youtube/Reddit/Discord.

I can see why LISA fans are jealous, as LISA is a lot more flawed than Undertale/Deltarune (Specifically: Gameplay. Visuals are debatable). I don't think LISA is underrated or "not as appreciated". I mean chasing fame isn't the reason W2D made this game so I don't know why the community would want fame either. (LISA also deals with atboo subjects, so...)

I think LISA fans will have plenty of that sweet, sweet spotlight when Pointless's first chapter is finally done with.

Originally posted by bridgeofblues:

I personally love Joyful what hate for?

From what I see it how buddy act yet it with the plot she is on Joy the entire time.

Joyful's hate is justified.
It was really, really rushed. Did not spend enough time in the rpgmaker oven.

[bridgeofblues]

Originally posted by oWn medic mains are property:

I hope you only ran into an exception here because I've never seen any LISA fan act that hostile.
Maybe I only visit the right places. I haven't seen that much hate on Youtube/Reddit/Discord.

I can see why LISA fans are jealous, as LISA is a lot more flawed than Undertale/Deltarune (Specifically: Gameplay. Visuals are debatable). I don't think LISA is underrated or "not as appreciated". I mean chasing fame isn't the reason W2D made this game so I don't know why the community would want fame either. (LISA also deals with atboo subjects, so...)

I think LISA fans will have plenty of that sweet, sweet spotlight when Pointless's first chapter is finally done with.

Originally posted by bridgeofblues:

I personally love Joyful what hate for?

From what I see it how buddy act yet it with the plot she is on Joy the entire time.

Joyful's hate is justified.
It was really, really rushed. Did not spend enough time in the rpgmaker oven.

I would disagree I thought it was a wonderful execution of the serious for these little extension that it was.

[UNCLEWOKIAN DANEBOT MIND-VIRUS]

Originally posted by bridgeofblues:

Originally posted by oWn medic mains are property:

I hope you only ran into an exception here because I've never seen any LISA fan act that hostile.
Maybe I only visit the right places. I haven't seen that much hate on Youtube/Reddit/Discord.

I can see why LISA fans are jealous, as LISA is a lot more flawed than Undertale/Deltarune (Specifically: Gameplay. Visuals are debatable). I don't think LISA is underrated or "not as appreciated". I mean chasing fame isn't the reason W2D made this game so I don't know why the community would want fame either. (LISA also deals with atboo subjects, so...)

I think LISA fans will have plenty of that sweet, sweet spotlight when Pointless's first chapter is finally done with.


Joyful's hate is justified.
It was really, really rushed. Did not spend enough time in the rpgmaker oven.

I would disagree I thought it was a wonderful execution of the serious for these little extension that it was.

Buzzo's inclusions were really unnessecary, especially the plotfeeding at the end. Buddy has no clue who Buzzo is, and I'd rather his identity would remain a lot more subtle than it's pushed out to be.

Painful (And the intro to joyful) was about Buddy's own survival.
It would make more sense if joyful was actually about her trying to survive than become queen of the world with some kind of overpowering messiah complex.

A lot of the writing is really odd. Dr. Yado is kind of shoehorned in last-second and feels like a goofy cartoon villain. He is better fleshed out in Painful/Pointless, having been involved in a war used to fund the joy project.

The list is weird too. It's just guys who are powerful, nothing much else. Mr. Beautful and Fardy make more sense than others.

I did get emotional during some cutscenes on good delivery (Specifically Dad cutscene, and Join/Leave them cutscene) but the rest of the game is poorly written out

Gameplay is really, really linear. And a lot worse than Painful's.
(Use power moves ---> Heal ---> Repeat w/ little to no variation)

[Adversary]

It's because most of the people that know about LISA these days are people who only heard about the trilogy when certain internet personalities like Dunkey made a mockery of it in their videos on it while comparing it to Undertale, which it is nothing at all like whatsoever. So people who were interested in the series to begin with became aggressive because like with everything in outsider culture that ends up hitting the mainstream it becomes increasingly dumbed down and pedantic.

It's bad enough that Austin Jorgensen had a meltdown because of some things that happened around the time LISA: THE JOYFUL came out and now people who were hyped for Ninja Tears are basically adverse to him having anything to do with his own project because he became increasingly hostile towards his audience, now the mainstream has gotten it's hands on LISA and the people who were interested in this series since the start are being displaced by people who probably would be better served playing Undertale or the Mother trilogy or any of the countless Earthbound inspired games coming out or that are out at this time which are more palatable to a mainstream demographic. OMORI, YIIK and Knuckle Sandwich come to mind.

Undertale has a reputation about as bad as Five Nights at Freddies, Homestuck or Sonic at this point, which is to say that most communities for certain kinds of outsider content will be vehemently against anyone who is a part of the Undertale fandom having anything to do with them, or the content they like getting popular with the mainstream in the slightest because that will attract people who will in turn make the community they had into a fandom of similar proportion.

I know, it's kind of stupid, but when you think for a moment it makes logical sense, especially if you happen to be an internet denizen who sees how fandoms and fans act. Nine times out of ten, no, it isn't the minority that are like that, it is indeed a pervasive element of the fandom and why many people who like certain games, comics, manga, anime, whatever, are vehemently against what they like becoming popular with the mainstream, because the mainstream tends to bring things down to a level that is just wholly unacceptable in terms of what is desired for outsider culture.

And yes, that includes pretty much every aspect of nerd culture, including video games, you can give that back any time now. You can do it when the video game industry crashes a second time too, I don't mind. At least then it will be about passion projects and not watered down flavor of the month nonsense.

[Garlic Jr.]

Originally posted by Recluse:

It's because most of the people that know about LISA these days are people who only heard about the trilogy when certain internet personalities like Dunkey made a mockery of it in their videos on it while comparing it to Undertale, which it is nothing at all like whatsoever. So people who were interested in the series to begin with became aggressive because like with everything in outsider culture that ends up hitting the mainstream it becomes increasingly dumbed down and pedantic.

It's bad enough that Austin Jorgensen had a meltdown because of some things that happened around the time LISA: THE JOYFUL came out and now people who were hyped for Ninja Tears are basically adverse to him having anything to do with his own project because he became increasingly hostile towards his audience, now the mainstream has gotten it's hands on LISA and the people who were interested in this series since the start are being displaced by people who probably would be better served playing Undertale or the Mother trilogy or any of the countless Earthbound inspired games coming out or that are out at this time which are more palatable to a mainstream demographic. OMORI, YIIK and Knuckle Sandwich come to mind.

Undertale has a reputation about as bad as Five Nights at Freddies, Homestuck or Sonic at this point, which is to say that most communities for certain kinds of outsider content will be vehemently against anyone who is a part of the Undertale fandom having anything to do with them, or the content they like getting popular with the mainstream in the slightest because that will attract people who will in turn make the community they had into a fandom of similar proportion.

I know, it's kind of stupid, but when you think for a moment it makes logical sense, especially if you happen to be an internet denizen who sees how fandoms and fans act. Nine times out of ten, no, it isn't the minority that are like that, it is indeed a pervasive element of the fandom and why many people who like certain games, comics, manga, anime, whatever, are vehemently against what they like becoming popular with the mainstream, because the mainstream tends to bring things down to a level that is just wholly unacceptable in terms of what is desired for outsider culture.

And yes, that includes pretty much every aspect of nerd culture, including video games, you can give that back any time now. You can do it when the video game industry crashes a second time too, I don't mind. At least then it will be about passion projects and not watered down flavor of the month nonsense.

I forgot all about his weird neurotic self loathing tweets lol. I wonder if he drags his bare knees across hot coals to serve his penance? The Joyful was a pretty big disappointment anyways. To me, Undertale is overrated but still far better than most of these multi-million dollar AAA cash grabs. The original LISA was and is amazing, but I don't feel like he could ever capture that same lighting in a bottle again. Alot of the pop culture he drew from, like Fist of the North Star, EB, old pro wrestling, ect were interesting to see in a weird homage. But I think once he ran out of ideas to borrow from his lack of creativity began to stand out. As was PAINFULLY obvious from buying the Joyful on day one just to be disappointed with how rather generic and uninspired it turned out to be.

[BelieveNYoSelf]

They're probably kids, take it with a grain of salt, it's not that deep, not everyone is an idiot. Common sense, you know this. Its going to be rational kind folk and idiots no matter what community it is lol