Survivor = most hated role?

[Little Dreamer]

Just curious... why does the town always kill surivivor. Soon as I claim survivor, jailors 80% execute and town almost always lynches. Kinda silly cause I am loyal to whoever helps me.. Why is survivor the most hated role?

[Little Dreamer]

P.S Jailors should lose all their executions for killing a survivor. They are basically harmless

[Doomvora]

Because survivor usually sides with mafia/neutral killing, typically its the same reason people kill jesters/executioners.

If they kill the survivor, town doesnt have to worry about losing due to its vote. Jailor also doesnt lose his executions if he executes the survivor so theres no detriment to him executing the survivor.

[woskis9161]

Survivors are usually freeloaders, in my experience.

[Bear]

Besides the possibility of siding with non town, Survivors come up as a "loner" to the investigator, meaning they could be survivor, witch or werewolf. Witch and werewolf are both against the town, and it's a common claim for the two if they get caught by an invest. Better safe than sorry, so to speak.

It's sort of an inherit balancing issue with the survivor. Unless the town hinges on having that extra vote, the survivor is more likely to go against town than for it.

[Little Dreamer]

The fact that survivor is so hated makes me as a survivor want to lie and cheat the town. Seems like more often than not the survivor HAS to lie because he/she is instantly killed if telling the truth and really wanting ti help town.

[Moucheron Quipet]

Yeah, claiming Survivor = you're dead 90% of the time. You can only claim Surv in games with no WW, no SK, no Arso, and even so it's not always working. And sometimes, importants town roles like Mayor claims Survivor so mafia won't attack them. But some players know that, and that's why mafia sometimes attack survs on purpose (that, or maf is just stupid :p).

Actually, I found out that being Amnesiac and claiming it, is actually working a lot better than claiming Surv as Surv, because baddies rarely claim Amne, and Invest really see you as an Amne if he invests you. That's why I prefer to play Amnesiac than Survivor (even without remembering a role).

[Little Dreamer]

mafia claimed survivor and that instantly cost them the game. Seems kinda silly to stack it against survivor with 2/3 odds of evil when they just wanna live.

[Little Dreamer]

maybe if survivor got 1 vest and had to choose a side before getting the rest of the vests it would be more fair? I dunno...

[Bear]

Escrito originalmente por Little Dreamer:

mafia claimed survivor and that instantly cost them the game. Seems kinda silly to stack it against survivor with 2/3 odds of evil when they just wanna live.

Yeah, that's really the larger problem with survivors vs town. If survivor's investigation message included a townie it would be easier for survivors to work with town.

As it stands, there is really no reason for town to keep a survivor claim alive, which in turn causes them to always side with evil folks, and then town doesn't trust survivors because they side with evil folks, which is because survivor is always lynched by town... etc. It's this sort of looping logic that makes survivor a harder role.

[SquirrellyOtter]

Survivors also share investigative traits with witch and werewolf. Prior to the werewolf, towns could risk letting a witch get away in case it was a survivor and let the survivor win with town. With werewolves, there's no incentive for town or maf to keep anyone with that trait alive and risk letting a werewolf ravage the countryside. It really sucks for survivors now.

(I may have just died as a survivor while posting this. Holy karma batman.)

[Wereworm]

Escrito originalmente por Little Dreamer:

Just curious... why does the town always kill surivivor. Soon as I claim survivor, jailors 80% execute and town almost always lynches. Kinda silly cause I am loyal to whoever helps me.. Why is survivor the most hated role?

Don't claim roles

[itsakiue]

some townies lynch survivor when they start spamming it around like "OH BTW I'M SURVIVOR" and they continue to say this like 5 times per in-game day.

then there's the part when most survivors want to side with mafia so they just kill them off anyways

[RollPlayingGamer]

I'm one of those people that kill toy if you claim benigh. Just finished a game where i didn't kill a benign and let him live? Turned mafia at the last second and screwed us. Always kill the neutral benighs. They're evil

[itsakiue]

Escrito originalmente por ᴘʟᴇʙ (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

the only reason I've seen people use while lynching survivors - "they always side with mafia"

Escrito originalmente por itsakiue:

some townies lynch survivor when they start spamming it around like "OH BTW I'M SURVIVOR" and they continue to say this like 5 times per in-game day.

read read read read...

[Wicken Chings]

Because wws and witches and other immune roles will almost without fail claim surv.. and seeing that town has no real use for survivors... its a smart decision on towns part.