Survivor = most hated role?

[Little Dreamer]

Just curious... why does the town always kill surivivor. Soon as I claim survivor, jailors 80% execute and town almost always lynches. Kinda silly cause I am loyal to whoever helps me.. Why is survivor the most hated role?

[Doomvora]

Hermione Granger の投稿を引用：

Yes, exactly, this is why I want survivor to be removed

Survivor shouldn't be removed, it is a role that is purely neutral and can win with anyone. Anyone who has issues being a survivor or playing against one is simply not thinking properly.

Survivor should never claim survivor for this specific reason. Survivor claiming curvivor is like godfather claiming mayor when there isnt a possibility for a mayor.

The game needs more roles and taking one that can essentially win with anyone takes the variance out of the game.

If someone is afraid of a survivor turning on town then kill them, otherwise ignore them like people do jesters and executioners.

I mean if you know someones a survivor the vig can just shoot them if town is that afraid.

Survivors are meant to "survive" oh wow thats a hard concept to wrap my head around, therefore they will side with anyone that is winning or has the highest chance of winning. If you explain to a survivor how your side can win chances are they will side with you because they win with everyone.

Simply put i think survivor needs a rework where he can visit people instead of a bulletproof vest which allows him to emulate his targets position (if he visits 1, he cant die if someone visits him, if 1 is visited by a killing role then the survivor dies that night as well). I think it would fit the whole "survivor" sense better than the bulletproof vests, give the sense of trying to survive rather than waiting to be killed and gives survivor the capability of actually doing things.

I really miss jester being able to "visit" to annoy people but it didnt really serve a purpose.

In the end, survivor is fine, it just requires more thought to be put into your actions.

[GeminiWarlock]

People who are night immune claim survivor so people usually lynch/kill

[TheLemmaLlama]

Because bad guys usually claim Surv since the only skill they can "prove" is immunity which many bad guys have anyway c: If you claim townie as bad guy people would ask you who you blocked/healed/investigated/whatever, which could spell trouble if you didn't prepare a fake will

Though I guess it's not that common now that townies are onto "survivors"

[Cuddles]

Godfathers also claim survivor so that if they get attacked at night and SK puts in their death note that X is IMMUNE the GF will say he put on a vest.

In my experience, evil roles claim Survivor majority of the time, that's why they get targeted. So blame all the evil people hiding behind the Survivor role that has made townies wary of trusting anyone that claims Survivor.

And, as someone else mentioned, Survivors have a bad reputation of siding with mafia so town will get rid of Survivors to prevent that. If Survivors sabotage the town from winning then the Town will make sure Survivors don't win either.

P.S. Anyone else notice that Survivors are leaving Day 1 too?

[solidstate]

Every game I've ever played where there was an opportunity to kill a survivor and I/the town didn't do it? We lost.

So yeah, kill them all immediately. Sad truth, no 'neutrals' are really worth courting as town. Amnesiacs who want to side with town should grab a town role asap, because I'll execute them on claim too.

[Cuddles]

solidstate の投稿を引用：

Every game I've ever played where there was an opportunity to kill a survivor and I/the town didn't do it? We lost.

So yeah, kill them all immediately. Sad truth, no 'neutrals' are really worth courting as town. Amnesiacs who want to side with town should grab a town role asap, because I'll execute them on claim too.

Agreed. Townies who ignore jesters and Exes as well usually regret it late game when they side with the mafia or refuse to vote. I always tell Jailors or vigs to target players acting like exes and jesters. They don't lose their ability to execute when they shoot a Neutral so they should target them indiscriminately.

Survivors, Exes and jesters can doom a town if they live to end game. When the town needs just 1 more vote and the Neutral refuses to hang the obvious mafia and the remaining town can do nothing but get picked off one at a time.

[Watson690]

I've won every survivor game I've played so far, the only way I don't side with town is when the mafia could/would kill me the next night.
Survivors win with everyone but they need to look out for themselves. People are petty and if I hurt their chances to win then they'll remove mine.

[Little John]

I hate it when people hang survivors because they usually side with mafia. This isn't really true! Most survivors will partner up with either town, mafia or neutral depending on who is winning. You should never claim survivor until you progress near the end.

[rice_cocktail]

Survivor is a neat role who should remain in custom/fun games, not "regular" matches.