Vampire gamethrow?

[Little John]

I can't tell if i gamethrow but i will tell you my story. Today i was the doctor and all the mafia members died. There was just a vampire, me the doctor and a VH. I had a think and decided to heal the vampire. I was then bitten that night by the vampire. We hung the VH that day and he said i was gamethrowing. Is that true?

[Cuddles]

Originally posted by Kulfon:

Originally posted by Chi:

Actually it is gamethrowing, the devs even confirmed this on their twitter, thank you very much

Devs aren't competent, they said asking for abilities or goal isn't cheating so their words hardly matter. Either way this case isn't gamethrow by any means. You call amne that becomes maf gamethrower too?

An Amnesiac that wants to help the Town win but joins the mafia so he can tell the Town who all the mafia are is gamethrowing. An Amnesiac that refuses to pick a side but plays both sides of the fence is not game-throwing because he hasn't picked a side yet. Sure, he won't win that way but he's not obligated to help either side win until he actually picks one.

A Townie that outright helps the vampires win because he wants to win as a vampire *before* he actually gets bitten, is gamethrowing because he's playing against his role. And this is why I hate the vampire role because it's the sudden flip-flop of sides from the winning team to a losing team that is so disheartening, or the mentality that a person doesn't have to remain loyal to their team because they can just have the other team switch them late game so they will sabotage the team now to help their chances later.

[Stizi]

I wouldn't say it's gamethrowing, as it was your only winning move. It's hard to make yourself lose. In ToS it's every man for himself to get a win.

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by Kulfon:

@edit If anything not healing vamp would be gamethrow because you would purposely caused yourself to lose.

that' not how it works. it's not about a potential individual win, but a win for the team you are on at any given time. not what team you may be on in the future.

Originally posted by Kulfon:

Devs aren't competent, they said asking for abilities or goal isn't cheating so their words hardly matter. Either way this case isn't gamethrow by any means. You call amne that becomes maf gamethrower too?

competent or not, their game, their rules. if you take your own advice, you'll be enjoying a ban eventually.

[Cuddles]

OP, if you listen to anyone in this thread then it should be this guy:

Originally posted by shapesifter13:

He will turn someone still, but it is still gamethrowing. Until you are a Vampire you shouldn't help them to win.

He's a dev or works with the devs (I think) so he knows more about the rules of the game than anyone else. Vampires suck, in my opinion, and I hate playing with them because of the grey area that can get messy about 'changing sides' but if the devs say that sabotaging Townies so you can win as a vamp is gamethrowing then it is gamethrowing until they say otherwise.

It's a team based effort that helps secure a win. One of the reasons mafia win so easily is because Townies never seem to want to work together, especially when you have random shooting vigs that don't realize that Town doesn't lose just 1 role if they're wrong, they lose 2.

Don't risk having your account banned because you will get reported for doing it and, with the new Trial system, you're going to be at the mercy of veteran players as judges, not just the devs.

[Jonesy]

The VH should be able to interrupt bites if he stakes the youngest. That should avoid scenerios like this.

[Konfusion with a K]

I'm kind of torn here. I realize it's 'technically' gamethrowing, but he's sentenced to lose to avoid gamethrowing. Unless he has self heal left (guessing he doesn't), he has to be bitten, a consequence he CANNOT avoid, and then he is on THAT team, and loses. But, knowing that he is in FACT going to be going to be turned into a Vampire, he can now save the other Vamp and win.

It's kind of like, if Amne picked a random role, vs a role you wanted, how would you play? Every action you take, could bone over your new team, thus you'd want to take no actions. On top of that, if you took actions, knowing that you might be more likely to get something as Amne, you'd want to 'plan' for that team. If it chose N3 at random from the dead list, yeah, I see a bunch of evils there, I'm probably giong to be evil, so I'm not going to be helping town.

No it's not a 'perfect' comparison, but you aim to win in the game. If you could predict one 'random' event happening, you'd probably play around with that in mind. Well, he 'had' that information, he knew he'd be a Vampire after that night. You're saying he can't 'plan' around that info, which is essentially him joining a new faction, to Auto lose. Seems like in the context of 'gamethrowing', he'd be throwing his only chance of a win out the window, which would be gamethrowing.

Just my two cents.

[Ayerbe]

Originally posted by Chi:

Originally posted by Cuddles:

Hmm... I could be wrong but I think the vampire doesn't turn anyone if he dies the same night he bites. I haven't played the vampire much but I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Vamp will convert even if he dies but doctor needed the vamp alive to vote off VH

However it has been confirmed that purposely letting vampire bite you when you are a townie and can actually win as a townie is gamethrowing the town. So yes, OP gamethrew town.

But how could he have possibly won otherwise?

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by Shieldlesscap:

Originally posted by Chi:

Vamp will convert even if he dies but doctor needed the vamp alive to vote off VH

However it has been confirmed that purposely letting vampire bite you when you are a townie and can actually win as a townie is gamethrowing the town. So yes, OP gamethrew town.

But how could he have possibly won otherwise?

self heal. and again, it is not about an individual win, but a win for whatever team the player is currently on.

[Cuddles]

Originally posted by RAKninja:

Originally posted by Shieldlesscap:

But how could he have possibly won otherwise?

self heal. and again, it is not about an individual win, but a win for whatever team the player is currently on.

This is what a lot of people keep missing. They are so focused on getting *their* win that they don't realize, and/or care that they are screwing over other people on their team just to get it.

When the Vampire role first came out I remember so many Townies begging to get bit, Townies throwing the end-game by not voting or lynching vampires just so they will get bit, Investigators finding vampires but not calling them out and, instead, whispering the vampires to bite them so they can team up.

I haven't played a game in a while with vampires lately, but I think that 'Twilight' phase has passed now and Townies are actively trying to kill vampires (especially once they realized the cap was only 4 at a time). XD

[Comrade Komko]

I thought the objective of the game was "Win by any means necessary"

Anyway, think about it this way:

1. The Vampire would have bitten you, regardless of you healing him
2. The VH would be forced to kill you the next night, resulting in your loss
3. In order to win, you had to side with the vamp