What's your take on the aggressive hate towards survivors?

[Enderslayer53]

In my years of playing tos I've come to learn there are two certanties in 95% of games:
1. There will *ALWAYS* be at least one person claiming to be a survivor
2. 75% of the time the people that claim survivor will be killed or lynched specifically because the people in that lobby hate survivor claims with the passion of a thousand suns rather than anything the player might have done to out themself as evil.

It's understandable that in a social deduction game with as many roles as tos has there will be a few undesirables. Especially since a big part of the game is the ability to claim any role you want until proven guilty. But what do you as the community believe is the reason for survivors receiving the blunt of this hate?

Bonus Question for Coven Players: Do you believe Pirates have a watered down symptom of this? If so, why? In most of my games with Pirates they're killed off within the first 3 days and called annoying.

[Lucifer ★✬]

i let survs be untill they start acting sus. you can tell whos a legit surv and who isnt by how that act and talk, like if they push people, etc

pirates are evil and dont win with anyone so they should be got rid of sooner then later. they may end up hitting a powerful town. on the flip side, if they have a kill already and are willing to go for someone the town knows is evil then i let them live

[Martin Harris]

In a town majority game, Survivors should absolutely be hung, especially if they show no alliance.

Survivors who don't vote are siding with evils, it's as simple as that. And they are often not survivors at all, and a waste of time to confirm (since they are openly claiming a role that can safely be hung without a real dent to town numbers)

If there is a survivor in the game, and town finish a game without lynching someone. I'd say it's a misplay most times.

[walloloo]

I completely disagree with the whole pirate thing honestly. Ive teamed with pirate and they are great. as soon as they get 2 wins you can kill them if you think they are a liability but i def like pirates way more than survs. in fact ive killed survs just because i didnt want them to team up on me which happens often in games. Also you have to remember as lot of surv claims are either secret mayors or evil, it a liability.

[Breathe.. Calm Down]

I actually have noticed the opposite in Coven All Any. Survivor claims don't get pushed and evils who claim survivor last until the end. I've won a couple games myself using that strategy.

[Tony Twist's Thunderous Right]

Originally posted by Enderslayer53:

But what do you as the community believe is the reason for survivors receiving the blunt of this hate?

Every single arso, ww, sk that has falsely hidden behind the survivor claim, particularly in all/any. Even other evils can't rely on a survivor claim because of this. I don't hate survivors or survivor claims. But I certainly (and rightly) don't trust them.

[Martin Harris]

Originally posted by Tony Twist's Thunderous Right:

Originally posted by Enderslayer53:

But what do you as the community believe is the reason for survivors receiving the blunt of this hate?

Every single arso, ww, sk that has falsely hidden behind the survivor claim, particularly in all/any. Even other evils can't rely on a survivor claim because of this. I don't hate survivors or survivor claims. But I certainly (and rightly) don't trust them.

Survivors that come out publically are harmful in themselves though. For some reason, they think that being 'neutral' unless evils have majority is beneficial to the town who currently have majority

[Sanvs]

Because most "surv day 1" is not surv. Claim Sheriff or whatever, even play EXE.
If there is no better lead d2 I am all for hanging surv claim

[Chaos]

It's a problem that's entirely of their own making. Surv players are the reason why there is so much hate towards survs.

How people always play surv is that they claim surv immediately. Most people want to immediately kill or lynch them in case they are evils. However, occasionally there are some nice individuals who trust the surv claim and keep them alive. That surv then ends up backstabbing the exact people who kept them alive in the end, turning those people into people who hate surv claims and always want to kill them. Over time it's gotten to the point where every single player who used to trust survs has gotten so jaded from them backstabbing them that there are hardly any people left who trust survs. They then have the gall to complain when people always want to kill survs, a problem that they are directly contributing to by being jerks that backstab the people who try to be friendly to them when they are surv.

A prime example of this happened just today. I was werewolf. A guy claimed surv day 1. Plenty of people wanted to lynch him and I convinced town to not lynch him and give him a chance. He survived all the way to the end where it was me, him and one of the townies who spearheaded the lynch attempt against him. He then proceeded to side with the townie (that tried to kill him mind you) and lynched me (the only reason he was still alive). That was the last straw for me and now I immediately kill or lynch surv claims, because they're always either an evil that's lying or a surv that's just going to end up backstabbing you if you help them.

If you don't want people to hate survs then don't be a POS when you are a surv.

[Lucifer ★✬]

Originally posted by Chaos:

It's a problem that's entirely of their own making. Surv players are the reason why there is so much hate towards survs.

How people always play surv is that they claim surv immediately. Most people want to immediately kill or lynch them in case they are evils. However, occasionally there are some nice individuals who trust the surv claim and keep them alive. That surv then ends up backstabbing the exact people who kept them alive in the end, turning those people into people who hate surv claims and always want to kill them. Over time it's gotten to the point where every single player who used to trust survs has gotten so jaded from them backstabbing them that there are hardly any people left who trust survs. They then have the gall to complain when people always want to kill survs, a problem that they are directly contributing to by being jerks that backstab the people who try to be friendly to them when they are surv.

A prime example of this happened just today. I was werewolf. A guy claimed surv day 1. Plenty of people wanted to lynch him and I convinced town to not lynch him and give him a chance. He survived all the way to the end where it was me, him and one of the townies who spearheaded the lynch attempt against him. He then proceeded to side with the townie (that tried to kill him mind you) and lynched me (the only reason he was still alive). That was the last straw for me and now I immediately kill or lynch surv claims, because they're always either an evil that's lying or a surv that's just going to end up backstabbing you if you help them.

If you don't want people to hate survs then don't be a POS when you are a surv.

same here. i always hit surv calls caz 9 time out of 10 there fake or will back stab you. also when they play the "i wont vote" card can be something that dooms one side caz they didnt get that 1 more vote they needed.

its like the new "fake as a psy" thats going around. they have made it that they get targeted and the people who are really the roles end up getting screwed over and killed

[👁]

I don't hate survivors I just like lynching them.

[tinytot1041]

I hate survivor claims even if they are legit. When I get survivor I just pretend to be a sheriff. Survivors even if they do not vote at all sometimes them just being alive is enough to keep the town 1 vote away from upping an evil or visa versa with evil needing that one dumb vote on their push. They are king makers no matter what they do and anyone who keeps a surv alive at all is a fool.

[Newgel]

I always exe surv claims as jailor, from my experience 70% of the times I get an evil.

[Liobuster]

Originally posted by Chaos:

It's a problem that's entirely of their own making. Surv players are the reason why there is so much hate towards survs.
If you don't want people to hate survs then don't be a POS when you are a surv.

To be fair though its the same form the other perspective:
Be a nice Surv try to hide until its rolecall day
Claim
Vote with majority
Get killed in the end just for fun...

Now you will rather vote against majority and backstab just out of spite...