Sooo, vampire hunter isn't very common.

[Sunwave]

My winrates. Feel free to discuss. My main point, however, is the minuscule size of the bar at Vampire Hunter. Do you feel something should be done about this? I'm not sure. There are plenty of games with vamps in all-any, but town usually doesn't win there becasue 1) they already don't win often and 2) vampires can sway the last 1 or 2 town in their favor if there's other baddies left. In ranked and stuff vampire hunter is even less common so that mode is negligable.

http://imgur.com/a/n48Uy

Main question: Do you guys have more Vamp Hunter wins or are you also 'behind' on those? I saw they're the least gained achievements overall, so I guess it's a universal problem.

EDIT: This is my winrate/amount of wins. NOT my win RATIO, which is of course totally different. I don't know those, because for some reason the stats only track wins per role and not losses per role.

[Vandalay]

well far as if anything should be done I have to doubt. Personally I don't think vamps really should exist in the game at all. Namely they break the entire concept of win/loss having anything to do with your playskill.


AKA say bob the perfect mayor, massively leads the town, scumreads and eliminates all the evils early on, calls for the vamp to get shot by a vig, Vig shoots vamp, vamp bites bob... Now, town has bob vote, notices his votes are lowered... thanks to all fo bob's work, town can easilly win this. Too bad for bob, his work guarantees vampires lose, and due to no fault of his own, he's a vampire.

There's so many possible scenerios where making yourself win, and making your side win, are contradictions for vampires, and THAT is why the role... really has no rational place in the game.

[Sunwave]

Well I agree that vamps cause a weird dynamic and it's not always fair how it ends up.

But the question I have is more about the vampire hunters than the vampires themselves. As you can see, I have 15 wins with vampires, and only 2 wins with vampire hunter. Partly because vampires are very strong and thus every vampire hunter game town has a disadvantage because of this (and most of them are all-any, where town already has a disadvantage), and partly because vampire hunter isn't even always present.

Perhaps every vampire game should have a vampire hunter by default? Perhaps there should be a rolelist that includes vampires by default? Perhaps... something else? That's what I'd like to talk about. How to increase the vampire hunter "droprate" in total.

Or just talk about winrates in general. Compare my balance between roles vs other people's balance. XD
I like statistics. Herpderp.

[Naedmi]

I think there should be a Vampire Hunter every game that has Vampires. Vampire Hunter should be slightly nerfed, instead of killing the Vampire it tells them if the player is a Vampire, if attacked by Vampires the hunter will still kill the attacking Vampire.

[Puppet Master]

Originally posted by Vandalay:

well far as if anything should be done I have to doubt. Personally I don't think vamps really should exist in the game at all. Namely they break the entire concept of win/loss having anything to do with your playskill.


AKA say bob the perfect mayor, massively leads the town, scumreads and eliminates all the evils early on, calls for the vamp to get shot by a vig, Vig shoots vamp, vamp bites bob... Now, town has bob vote, notices his votes are lowered... thanks to all fo bob's work, town can easilly win this. Too bad for bob, his work guarantees vampires lose, and due to no fault of his own, he's a vampire.

There's so many possible scenerios where making yourself win, and making your side win, are contradictions for vampires, and THAT is why the role... really has no rational place in the game.

Or maybe bob should have been smarter and not voted, then allowed himself to convert others under the guise of a confirmed townie

[Sunwave]

Originally posted by Dark:

Or maybe bob should have been smarter and not voted, then allowed himself to convert others under the guise of a confirmed townie

Way to miss the point. It's about losing despite making your party win with absolute certainly, because vamps yank you from your team into theirs.

[Puppet Master]

Originally posted by Sunwave:

Originally posted by Dark:

Or maybe bob should have been smarter and not voted, then allowed himself to convert others under the guise of a confirmed townie

Way to miss the point. It's about losing despite making your party win with absolute certainly, because vamps yank you from your team into theirs.

its still a good role

[Nerd Doodle]

Originally posted by Dark:

Originally posted by Sunwave:

Way to miss the point. It's about losing despite making your party win with absolute certainly, because vamps yank you from your team into theirs.

its still a good role

I disagree, I have been pulled into their team so many times that I just accept that I will lose. Too many times I have been survivor and my vest does nothing and I end up losing at the end.

[Cuddles]

I hate vampires. It's a pain in the ass working so hard to make sure your team wins only to get swapped onto the losing team at the last minute. It's a role that has no night immunity so is completely vulnerable against mafia and NKs, can only bite every other night yet has a greater chance of hitting a target they can't affect and, the best part... for a role that effectively wins by outvoting everyone else, has a max membership of only FOUR people while the mafia which is a stronger team by leaps and bounds, gets a max of five.

Another issue about the vamps is that, at one time, when you bit a mafia memebr they would be immune but at least the Town would still be unaware there were vamps, giving you the opportunity to grow your coven over time. Now, if you're unlucky and bite a mafia member early game your cover is blown.

[Vandalay]

Originally posted by Dark:

Or maybe bob should have been smarter and not voted, then allowed himself to convert others under the guise of a confirmed townie

Maybe in all any and low ELO that works. In higher ELO ranked, town learns real fast to test "confirmed townies" once they know vamps are in existence, especially if the confirmed town has a daytime test (mayor votes, spytests etc...). Once they know vamps are in, they know "confirmed town" is a temporary state.

[Puppet Master]

Originally posted by Nerd Doodle:

Originally posted by Dark:

its still a good role

I disagree, I have been pulled into their team so many times that I just accept that I will lose. Too many times I have been survivor and my vest does nothing and I end up losing at the end.

Well ur wrong

[Sunwave]

Originally posted by Dark:

Originally posted by Nerd Doodle:

I disagree, I have been pulled into their team so many times that I just accept that I will lose. Too many times I have been survivor and my vest does nothing and I end up losing at the end.

Well ur wrong

There is no "right" or "wrong" since it's an opinion if it's a good role or not. =/

[Puppet Master]

Originally posted by Sunwave:

Originally posted by Dark:

Well ur wrong

There is no "right" or "wrong" since it's an opinion if it's a good role or not. =/

nah its a fact that its a good role

[iCarus]

You see a vampire once in roughly 35 ranked games
In these games, you get a 1/3 chance of getting a VH as the TK role.
The RT role has roughly 1/15 chance of being the VH.
Hence, you GET VH as your role every 100 games.
Town has an avg winrate of about 60%. That means, statistically, you win as VH once every 155 games.

[Vandalay]

Originally posted by iCarus:

You see a vampire once in roughly 35 ranked games
In these games, you get a 1/3 chance of getting a VH as the TK role.
The RT role has roughly 1/15 chance of being the VH.
Hence, you GET VH as your role every 100 games.
Town has an avg winrate of about 60%. That means, statistically, you win as VH once every 155 games.

You are off on towns winrate by about 20%. Every single large ELO collection of winrates, generally shows town at somewhere between 70% and 85% winrate.

That being said, I've never seen a data set large enough to actually properly estimate what towns winrate in vamp games is.