Most Important Town Role

[RegularCatnip]

What do you guys think the most important Townie Role is, as in , the one role that can determine wether town wins the game or mafia/other wins the game. My personal choice would be the Jailor. what do you guys think?

[Vandalay]

pretty hard to argue against jailor being the de-facto makes or breaks town role. Roleblock with interogation, plus the ability to interogate and gather information, plus the ability to execute with 0 risk of transporters interfearing, and piercing night immunity. pretty universally the #1 mvp role for town.

close second would be ret, insta confirming himself and 1 other townie as well as proving or disproving all medium claims instantly.

third is spy, negate mafia's ability to use chat, turn consig, consort, framer and disguisers abilities into a huge drawback for mafia, and instant notification when mafia finds an immune.

[Flavorable]

It really depends on the player.

The other day, I won the game as a medium, last one standing with a Surv on my side, because I was good at deducing, but the maf didn't find the medium important enough to kill.

And then there's players with roles that normally would make a difference "invests, sheriffs, jailors" etc, who just majorly mess up. Like, for example, Jailors who confirm and defend 2 'townies' and then later say "they both claimed Vet" and say "omg its all any, vet isnt unique".

So yeah, it massively depends on the player. Every role has its up- and downsides.

[Lindenborn]

Jailor by far IMO

[Romeo]

Originally posted by Lindenborn:

Jailor by far IMO

nope, it is medium

[NMGSGaming]

I agree with Flavorable. There isn't really a most important town role. They all have their place. One person has the ability to screw their team if they don't play their role correctly.

However if i were to go for importance of Ret revival with one being the highest, I would Say:
1.Jailor (If he didn't waste his Executions and isn't a Moron)
2. BG
3. Doc
4. Mayor (2nd place if a TP is still in play)
5. Invest
6. Sheriff
7. Lookout
8. Trans
9. Vet
10. Vigi
11. Escort
12. Medium (They can seance)

[Ratchet]

Originally posted by Kazuo Kiriyama:

I agree with Flavorable. There isn't really a most important town role. They all have their place. One person has the ability to screw their team if they don't play their role correctly.

However if i were to go for importance of Ret revival with one being the highest, I would Say:
1.Jailor (If he didn't waste his Executions and isn't a Moron)
2. BG
3. Doc
4. Mayor (2nd place if a TP is still in play)
5. Invest
6. Sheriff
7. Lookout
8. Trans
9. Vet
10. Vigi
11. Escort
12. Medium (They can seance)

I'd put Transporter higher than Doc or possibly BG depending how good a Transporter you are. A good trans will just make the mafia suicide or hit a less important role (assuming ranked/ranked prac). Sheriff/Lookout is a bit luck based considering Sheriff could find everyone or nothing. Lookout N1 could visit an obvious name target and find killers early.

Jailor of course at number 1. I've had lucky games as Vigilante where I was nearly a Jailor with my accuracy. I think any good player could make any role a #1 on the list if used correctly.

[Ditz]

Jailor 100%
If the Jailor is throwing its a hard game for Town.

[Bear]

Assuming everyone in the game is playing equally well, Jailor is going to be the game maker/breaker in 95 percent of situations, with Ret taking the last 5 percent.

Pretty much the only thing that stops a jailor from taking out three baddies is either bad luck by getting killed first/second night, or their own stupidity. Since we don't balance according to bad players (or rather, shouldn't), the second point is moot. It's also confirmed to exist in every 'balanced' role list.

Then there's Ret, who automatically confirms two players, and has a very high chance to confirm several other roles as well. The only reason Jailor is better is because Jailor doesn't become just a (confirmed) vote when he runs out of executions.

Retributionist is still a huge problem role though, even if Jailor is more well rounded.

[drusi]

I think a good jailor can determine who wins and loses.
BUT
a medium actually helps a lot when dead players stay instead of leaving.

[drusi]

Originally posted by Flavorable:

It really depends on the player.

The other day, I won the game as a medium, last one standing with a Surv on my side, because I was good at deducing, but the maf didn't find the medium important enough to kill.

And then there's players with roles that normally would make a difference "invests, sheriffs, jailors" etc, who just majorly mess up. Like, for example, Jailors who confirm and defend 2 'townies' and then later say "they both claimed Vet" and say "omg its all any, vet isnt unique".

So yeah, it massively depends on the player. Every role has its up- and downsides.

People think medium doesn't matter but TBH medium is a great role if the dead stay in the game & you know how to play

[Vandalay]

Originally posted by adventuringavacado:

Originally posted by Flavorable:

It really depends on the player.

The other day, I won the game as a medium, last one standing with a Surv on my side, because I was good at deducing, but the maf didn't find the medium important enough to kill.

And then there's players with roles that normally would make a difference "invests, sheriffs, jailors" etc, who just majorly mess up. Like, for example, Jailors who confirm and defend 2 'townies' and then later say "they both claimed Vet" and say "omg its all any, vet isnt unique".

So yeah, it massively depends on the player. Every role has its up- and downsides.

People think medium doesn't matter but TBH medium is a great role if the dead stay in the game & you know how to play

I fully agree that all roles have opprotunities to make or break the game for town. Though if we are going on a set value for roles and likelyness for them to come up. That is where we'll come up with stark contrast and possible ratings.

Jailor IMO has a very high likelyness of getting oprotunities to win the game for town. He gets the options to play judge/jurry/executioner.

Both jailor and medium have access to their own source of information, IE the medium gets the information of the last townie, jailor gets his 1v1 with jailed prisoners, who are able to share that information knowing 100% that they are sharing it with a confirmed town.

The medium then has to convince the town that he is in fact town, knows something important, and heard the cats into voting the way he says.

Jailor, can further compare his information by jailing, and execute if it appears his suspicion was accurate.

That ain't to say every possible game the jailor will have more impact on the towns win than the medium. Of course not, some games the jailor dies n1, and say 2 mediums confirm eachother, being a super power team of confirmed roles. I would say though, that less things have to align, for a jailor to make the amazing game winning plays, than for medium.

[Ratchet]

As Vandalay said, there's gotta be certain conditions for a Medium to be a power house. Double Mediums confirmed? Retri confirming themself, the revived AND the Medium? Honestly just the IQ of the Town. You can be a great Medium but if no one listens it's useless. I love Medium but I'd rather be the Vig or Transporter and know I can physically do something.

Also on the side---I don't put all my fruit in one basket with Mayor. Honestly the majority of """Good Mayors""" play a Mayor Game. Let's vote everyone in the Town up for roles! If the Mayor lives long enough and we're assuming everyone is a decent player, the Mayor is going to find the CCs and win. It's not a very...fair? gameplay tactic imo. I'd rather have a late revealing Mayor who gives us the votes we needed, or one who works with the Invest/Jailor.

A lot of this is RNG and who dies first. BG on Jailor who is jailing the Mayor who is spot on. Mafia has to go through 3 targets. Town could lose their best roles Night 1 or have a chain going by Night 3-4.

[Bear]

The problem with Medium is that it needs someone else to confirm their role, since the only people who can vouch for the medium are the dead people, and well... they're dead. It needs a role like Retributionist to confirm it, or a trusted investigator to look at it before you can be sure their claims are likely to be true. It's also an easy CC for that exact reason, so it's not uncommon for the mafia or even the neutrals to claim Medium and thus waste your time.

Medium is also super dependent on the dead having information that isn't already out there. While this is great against the janitor or the forger or similar roles, that still only eliminates at most 3 townies from leaving their information in their will, ASSUMING the mafia does not waste those abilities on neutrals. Again under the assumption all players are playing well, the Medium's best hope is typically for a Retri confirmation, double Medium confirmed combo, or the few chances it gets to hard counter mafia deceptions.

Medium can absolutely wreck games, that's true. I would never argue otherwise. Pretty much every role has carry potential given the right circumstances, but Jailor is objectively the most powerful in the majority of situations. It doesn't need perfect circumstances or have to fight to prove its innocence. A player who cleans house as Medium will almost certainly get the job done faster as Jailor.