Any advice for finding Girsh Shug'ruith, Qon and Qas?

[Hyperlynx]

I wanna go for the Zayin achievement. I've killed the three Girsh Nephilim that spawn in fixed locations, and now I want to find the other two spots. I've got mumble mouth, and trash divining, but that's a really low chance.

For a bit I was trying to systematically check the whole of the Moon Stair for Qon and Qas, but if I stopped and worked it out it would probably be an absurdly large amount of time it would take to do it...

I've heard of water-ritualing legendary girsh and asking them for secrets. In that case the question becomes "where can I find legendary girsh and cloning draught"? :/

[Ed1749]

Since you know Qas and Qon are in the moon stair, you can try and get the secrets by trading secrets with Chavvah. Shug'ruith on the other hand is all luck, you really can only get his secret reliably from girsh and gyre wights. Finding them is all luck once again, however if you're willing to eat a oathbreaker penalty then there are guranteed girsh spawns in the nephilim you're trying to kill. But more realistically you're aiming for the gyre wights, who dont start with a -800 reputation and can be water ritualed with water. And, finally, if you need to find cloning draught for whatever reason, maybe a girsh friendship playthough later down the line, you find it from ichor merchants or on the ground in slime bogs.

[Pixel Peeper]

When I killed all six, I thought "Nice, now I never have to do this 20-hour search BS again", but then they added another one and now I have to do it again.

There are no easy ways to do this, and it sucks. It sucks real bad. It's a huge time waster for absolutely no reason. As much as this game does some things right, this is one thing it does very very very very wrong.

Gyre wights might indeed tell you the location of nephilim lairs, but you'd have to find legendary ones and be friendly enough with them. I have almost never seen one of these guys and don't know where to find them.

The Chavvah faction could potentially tell you the location for Qas and Qon, but you'd have to be freakishly lucky to get that instead of some other information about the Moon Stair. The odds are so low they are functionally insignificant.

Shug'ruith is the worst, he can be pretty much anywhere. Both times I found it, it was by accident, by traveling over the world map and getting a prompt for investigating a "yawning pit". To add insult to injury, the pit is full of trash, and one of the trash piles gave me the location of its lair (which is different from the location of the pit's opening) while I was already headed there.

Brute force seems to be the most reliable way by far. Get mumble mouth and trash divining, and walk all over the world map. It's going to be a gigantic waste of time, but it is what it is.

[Hyperlynx]

Tempted to wish for mounds of garbage.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by Hyperlynx:

Tempted to wish for mounds of garbage.

Absolutely wouldn't blame you.

Your time is literally your life. And your leisure time is the most precious of all. Do not waste it on something intensely unfun like grinding trash to locate the fictional lair of a fictional creature in a video game.

The dev made an insanely bad design choice and we don't have to live with that choice.

[XwX furry borne by ice&fire]

Originally posted by Hyperlynx:

...where can I find legendary girsh and cloning draught? :/

Best way to get cloning draught for me was pretty much trying to farm the metamorphic polygel (You can dupe waterskins with cloning draught this way and multiply your gains) and farming an ichor merchant. If your Six Day Stilt has kippers too (and it probably does, chances are high) - you can go visit them too, they have a low chance of having draught too iirc.

If you havent killed all clonelings in Bethesda Susa, you may want to either kill them for a miserable chance to get one phial, or maybe you have a way to proselytize them so they dupe an ichor merchant for you (although, they may wander off and dupe other npcs - so maybe you need some portable walls to make it more reliable)

Alchemist in Bethesda Susa doesnt restock, so if they are not dead - you either buy the one phial of cloning draught from them, or make them willfuly donate the phial to you by killing them

If you dont have a desire to farm the ichor merchant, experimentally I have found that clonelings can spawn on somewhat ~10-15 strata deep (Sorry for not remembering the exact depth) in Ruins?... (like, the tiles with ruined building on a worldmap above the Grit Gate) so if you have a desire to deep dive and use a spiral borer to kill something you may also try this, but gains can be miserable either way too!

welcome to grinds of qud

[Pizzarugi]

There is no easy way to find Shug'ruith. My suggestion is to get as many extra limbs as you possibly can and hit yourself with a bunch of mumble mouth fungal infections. Each infection has their own internal 5% proc chance on entering new zones to give random secrets, so you could use them to brute force your way to finding out where they all hide.

You can also farm Baroque Ruins for Memory Eaters whose corpses you can butcher for a food ingredient which grant secrets whenever cooking with them.

[glass zebra]

If you find their Girshlinds running around the Moonstair, the lair should be close. Other than that the tips you got here are basically it.

Originally posted by Pizzarugi:

You can also farm Baroque Ruins for Memory Eaters whose corpses you can butcher for a food ingredient which grant secrets whenever cooking with them.

Cooks can also sell the prepared ingredients, but that is not a great way to farm.

[Balm]

your time IS your life, and you can choose not to spend your time on a totally arbitrary video game """"accomplishment"""" (it isn't)

[Hyperlynx]

Oh **** me.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3394977030

This just happened. Except it's on A DIFFERENT CHARACTER! 😑