Star Krakens and Artifacts

[Terminal]

I was exploring a historical site in the Moon Stair, and it was filled wall to wall with Star Kraken Cultists. This was not actually too bad an issue, since they were all docile and my relationship with the cult was high enough that the Star Krakens would not aggro unless they saw me attacking another Cult member. I went to the bottom of the site, grabbed the relic and credits, and left without thinking much of it at the time.

Then, later, I discovered a a new Sultan Histories Secret that told of the presence of a second artifact in the same historical site. Since I knew that meant there was a tier 8 Relic up for grabs, I went back to the site to search for it after double checking to make sure I had not already grabbed it (I had not).

I went back, and went to the strata specified in the sultan history. I then double-checked all my collected histories to check and be certain that the site had not been renamed at any point (since I know from first-hand experience that sites can be renamed, which is respected by the Quests lists but not by the original Sultan histories), and sure enough, I was on the correct floor of the correct site.

I then killed literally every single being on the floor - I did not have to fight any Star Krakens, since by this point they had all wandered offscreen - and scoured every square centimeter of the place using penetrating radar. I then cleared away all the rubble and boulders the star krakens had left behind, and then destroyed every corpse and tree and possibly obstructing object left behind. No artifact, no chest.

I know from experience that the Purple Artifact Chests/the Artifacts in them are conventionally indestructible - at least, they do not take damage when attacked (as with small glass phials and stasis walls), probably to prevent Artifacts from being accidentally destroyed by explosions. However, I am concerned that they might not be proofed against being eaten/engulfed by a Star Kraken.

Can anybody verify whether or not Star Krakens can engulf artifacts/artifact chests? Is that Artifact lost forever?

[wizardlibrarian]

Krakens can eat just about anything

[glass zebra]

I just spawned a bunch of RelicChest on the beta branch and then a Star Kraken and it just ate through them. They also take normal damage from hits and are not indestructible. Not sure if natively planted chests have any other logic of than that "RelicContainer" tag.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Yeah, kraken sites (salt or star) are totally fair game for having artifacts get eaten. It's too bad that the star ones don't also poop relics out (since pretty sure it bypasses the relic generation chance during ruin generation), but they DO occasionally poop out high level dromad merchants and Tier 8 artifacts, so it's kind of a wash.

Edit: Forgot to add you got lucky the first run through the site, usually kraken sites eat the relic and credit chests the first try.

[Terminal]

Originally posted by I blame Earthshaker:

Yeah, kraken sites (salt or star) are totally fair game for having artifacts get eaten. It's too bad that the star ones don't also poop relics out (since pretty sure it bypasses the relic generation chance during ruin generation), but they DO occasionally poop out high level dromad merchants and Tier 8 artifacts, so it's kind of a wash.

Edit: Forgot to add you got lucky the first run through the site, usually kraken sites eat the relic and credit chests the first try.

Well, that's unfortunate. It was a Tier 8 Relic too. I suppose the moral of the story is to ALWAYS check for multiple relics in site histories before visiting tier eight sites so you know to rush the chests before they get eaten.

What really irks me is that I now have that particular objective sitting in my journal for the rest of the run.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by Terminal:

I suppose the moral of the story is to ALWAYS check for multiple relics in site histories before visiting tier eight sites so you know to rush the chests before they get eaten.

What really irks me is that I now have that particular objective sitting in my journal for the rest of the run.

No, the moral of the story is to never go underground at kraken cult sites until you have at least lvl 16 clairvoyance and some means of accurate teleportation. Only then explore the site and find and teleport to the chests before they get eaten (some phasing maybe required). The krakens won't eat the relics if they haven't generated yet!

Or you could just do the relic generation wish, it will generate all relics listed in secrets for that run, so you can get your missing relic (or start the game with every relic from every historical site, abuse it how you want).

[davidb11]

It seems rather annoying that you can't kill the Star Krakens to get the loot back.
I mean, that's probably suicide, but still, it's annoying.
I'm sure some build can kill them.

I've never gotten that far, and all my ruins spawn never close to end game areas.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by davidb11:

It seems rather annoying that you can't kill the Star Krakens to get the loot back.
I mean, that's probably suicide, but still, it's annoying.
I'm sure some build can kill them.

Compared to chrome pyramids, star krakens are easy to kill. Just stay out of melee range!

As for getting the loot back, can't wait for the devs add temporarily generated dungeons to getting eaten by star krakens (salt krakens still just kill you). Be cool to have a limited time to try to fight out of a 1 zone dungeon before getting digested (kind of like dream crungling)! Sadly, that is definitely some DLC level changes, although maybe someone makes a mod for it first...

[davidb11]

Originally posted by I blame Earthshaker:

Originally posted by davidb11:

It seems rather annoying that you can't kill the Star Krakens to get the loot back.
I mean, that's probably suicide, but still, it's annoying.
I'm sure some build can kill them.

Compared to chrome pyramids, star krakens are easy to kill. Just stay out of melee range!

As for getting the loot back, can't wait for the devs add temporarily generated dungeons to getting eaten by star krakens (salt krakens still just kill you). Be cool to have a limited time to try to fight out of a 1 zone dungeon before getting digested (kind of like dream crungling)! Sadly, that is definitely some DLC level changes, although maybe someone makes a mod for it first...

Ah. Okay.
Good to know.
So, a Star Kraken could be like an Astral Dreadnaught.
Which is what the Cacodemon from Doom is based on.

The Astra Dreadnaught would eat people and then they'd go into a pocket dimension and live out their lives there.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by davidb11:

The Astra Dreadnaught would eat people and then they'd go into a pocket dimension and live out their lives there.

More multistory digestive tract than pocket dimension, the game already has one of those! But yeah, basically that.

[davidb11]

Originally posted by I blame Earthshaker:

Originally posted by davidb11:

The Astra Dreadnaught would eat people and then they'd go into a pocket dimension and live out their lives there.

More multistory digestive tract than pocket dimension, the game already has one of those! But yeah, basically that.

Ah. Fair.
What is this game's Pocket Dimension?
I'm a bit far behind on a lot of updates to this game.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by davidb11:

What is this game's Pocket Dimension?
I'm a bit far behind on a lot of updates to this game.

It's on the wiki, just check there. Since finding it in the game normally is... difficult. Hopefully devs at least add some more hints about how to get in before 1.0 release, it's definitely off of the beaten path.