Extradimensional chances

[Deal man]

I'm just curious on the chances to have an extradimensional item as random. I don't understand what Factor of 1 means. 1%, .0001%.

[glass zebra]

Where are you seeing the "Factor of 1"? https://wiki.cavesofqud.com/wiki/Item_mods#Mod_Rarity has the explanation for the chance and the list with chances for each mod.

[Deal man]

Thanks, I have tunnel vision sometimes when i look for a specific thing. In the section about the Otherpearl (https://wiki.cavesofqud.com/wiki/Otherpearl) it says that the chance to be extradimentional as a factor of 1.

I looked for fun on how to make the game as a TTRPG with friends (maybe someday), so I try to know what are the chances of X value to make GM tables.

[glass zebra]

It just means that it multiplies on the chance you are currently having and basically defines a base of 100% of the "normal chance" to describe a formula there. The page does not actually state what the chance is on an item drop, but instead takes the 100% of whatever that chance is (aka factor of 1) and shows how that chance grows. With one of those you get 100%*5 = 500% of normal. With 2 of those you get 100%+5*5=2500% of normal etc.

I actually had to look a bit to get the mod rarity chance again, since there are a few pages talking about mods and extradimensional, but e.g. the extradimensonal page does not link to the rarity page. Nacham's ribbon however does that.

[Deal man]

Ok thanks. Didn't think about it that way.

[glass zebra]

The Ribbon + tinker spam and extradimensional hunters are afaik the only 2 other chances to get extra dimensional items "reliable" and the Ribbon at least scales with the pearl. Whatever the chance really is, depends on the item (because of the applicable mod pool).

[Deal man]

I kinda have an idea of how much it's rare and it's highly improbable, I saw extradimentional items at random like on once on the map (not extradimentional assasin or shops).

[Deal man]

And when I mean once it's since I bought the game and I play the game alot.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Deal man:

And when I mean once it's since I bought the game and I play the game alot.

Yeah I think I saw like 3 of them with all characters (that did not have the pearl) combined and none of them were something I even considered using.

[Terminal]

Extradimensional Items become sort of/kind of commonish if you are a powerful Esper or just have truckloads of Psychic Glimmer. Extradimensional Hunters have a 5% chance of dropping their most valuable item with the Extradimensional Mod on death, so once you start encountering them frequently it's sort of inevitable to wind up with several chestfuls of Extradimensional geegaws.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by Terminal:

Extradimensional Items become sort of/kind of commonish if you are a powerful Esper or just have truckloads of Psychic Glimmer. Extradimensional Hunters have a 5% chance of dropping their most valuable item with the Extradimensional Mod on death, so once you start encountering them frequently it's sort of inevitable to wind up with several chestfuls of Extradimensional geegaws.

The issue with that is just that most hunters I encounter have no equipment. Does it happen mostly in a specific level range and biome?

[Terminal]

Originally posted by glass zebra:

The issue with that is just that most hunters I encounter have no equipment. Guess it happens mostly in a specific level range and biome?

No, what you are experiencing is normal. Extradimensional Hunters drop nothing, EXCEPT for the aforementioned 5% - so they have a 5% chance to drop their most valuable item with the Extradimensional Mod, and otherwise they drop nothing.

The main reason for that is to prevent Extradimensional Farming, since powerful Espers can intentionally give Hunters select items to try and force them to drop that item with Extradimensional. You CAN still technically do that, but it is essentially a long-odds gamble since there is a 95% chance you just burnt the item.

If your Hunters are mobs that actually have no items - like Frogs or Apes or the like - then yes, you may then actually have an issue. I'm not as versed with the mechanics behind Psychic Hunter mob selection/determination so I have no idea how to influence it.

[glass zebra]

The item giving part is weird lore wise anyway. They did not bring them from their home dimension, so they shouldn't be able to vanish or get extradimensional.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by Deal man:

I kinda have an idea of how much it's rare and it's highly improbable, I saw extradimentional items at random like on once on the map (not extradimentional assasin or shops).

If you stack Otherpearls, it will affect merchant chance of stocking extraD items as well. Whether you can afford them is another matter entirely...

[Terminal]

If you can buy the Otherpearl in the first place, you are probably well past the point where mere things like commerce have fallen beneath your needs. It has a commerce value of 33,333 drams. Even if you have a 0.95 commerce modifier (as high as it can go), that will still require some substantial finagling to get. Especially since you cannot (easily) return to the zone where you buy it if you don't have that much on you.

Once you get to the point where you can just handcraft ten spaser rifles or thereabouts on demand, the entire game's economy just sort of falls away.

[I blame Earthshaker]

Originally posted by Terminal:

If you can buy the Otherpearl in the first place, you are probably well past the point where mere things like commerce have fallen beneath your needs. It has a commerce value of 33,333 drams. Even if you have a 0.95 commerce modifier (as high as it can go), that will still require some substantial finagling to get. Especially since you cannot (easily) return to the zone where you buy it if you don't have that much on you.

Considering the low likelihood of returning, it's far more efficient (AND CHEAPER) to just stab the clam with a love injector. The primary issue is whether you can penetrate with the first stab or not, since a hostile clam god literally warps his personal zone...