18th Century Turkey?

[TsunamiEmperor]

Will this be added as some point in the future? I don't see why Turkey shouldn't have access to the 18th century with a decent roster to back itself up in that sense. The Nizam-i Cedit are definitely something I'd like to see represented as an integral part of this faction's progression along with technologies that go off the theme of military reformation.

The game so far is great, but I think at the moment it's suffering from a lack of variety when it comes to troop compositions and army builds in general.

[Mr_Cossack]

Unlikely since they never had access to it in Cossacks 1.

[Shouravik]

Originally posted by FacelessImmortal:

Will this be added as some point in the future? I don't see why Turkey shouldn't have access to the 18th century with a decent roster to back itself up in that sense. The Nizam-i Cedit are definitely something I'd like to see represented as an integral part of this faction's progression along with technologies that go off the theme of military reformation.

The game so far is great, but I think at the moment it's suffering from a lack of variety when it comes to troop compositions and army builds in general.

Wait for mods my friend, everything and anything can be done. Nizam would be great to see represented.

[ⒺⒹⒾⓃ]

I agree with you Tsunami.....for some reason game creators think that Ottoman empire was able to crush united europe over and over again with nothing but some untrained plebs

[Armored Baron]

Originally posted by ⒺⒹⒾⓃ:

I agree with you Tsunami.....for some reason game creators think that Ottoman empire was able to crush united europe over and over again with nothing but some untrained plebs

Crushed? They were stopped at Austria's capital, the only thing they "crushed" was a bunch of un-organized slavic and Greek plebs.

Plus they were being supplied and supported by the Western Nations, but could never really combat the West.

Except for Gallipoli, WW1 is solid proof of that.

[ⒺⒹⒾⓃ]

Originally posted by 82DK A. Soldier:

Originally posted by ⒺⒹⒾⓃ:

I agree with you Tsunami.....for some reason game creators think that Ottoman empire was able to crush united europe over and over again with nothing but some untrained plebs

Crushed? They were stopped at Austria's capital, the only thing they "crushed" was a bunch of un-organized slavic and Greek plebs.

Plus they were being supplied and supported by the Western Nations, but could never really combat the West.

Except for Gallipoli, WW1 is solid proof of that.

Yah....literally HALF the united europe is what it took lol to stop them....and you are trying to tell me that HALF the united europe is what was needed to stop 17th century inferior musketeers that can not even get into mele? lol....dude get serious

[StoleMyCoconut]

Doubt that many mods will be made apart from really really small useless once. Why? Because with every update your mods will break... And your forced to update your files with every update because of it. If the game didn't have its mods organizer thing you could just replace all the files and keep it like that without updating. So sorry to ruïne your dreams but don't get your high hopes up...

[Brave Odysseus]

Originally posted by 82DK A. Soldier:

Originally posted by ⒺⒹⒾⓃ:

I agree with you Tsunami.....for some reason game creators think that Ottoman empire was able to crush united europe over and over again with nothing but some untrained plebs

Crushed? They were stopped at Austria's capital, the only thing they "crushed" was a bunch of un-organized slavic and Greek plebs.

Plus they were being supplied and supported by the Western Nations, but could never really combat the West.

Except for Gallipoli, WW1 is solid proof of that.

Remove Kebaaaaaab!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs

[Armored Baron]

Originally posted by Brave Odysseus:

Originally posted by 82DK A. Soldier:

Crushed? They were stopped at Austria's capital, the only thing they "crushed" was a bunch of un-organized slavic and Greek plebs.

Plus they were being supplied and supported by the Western Nations, but could never really combat the West.

Except for Gallipoli, WW1 is solid proof of that.

Remove Kebaaaaaab!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs

Look I am not against the Turks or Ottomans, on the contrary I hold the highest respect for them.

They beat the Crusaders and Western nations on several occasions but this guy is just overestimating them.

And let this be clear, I am not part of this "Remove kebab" movement.

Nor am I with the Turks/Ottomans.

I just have respect for them because of their military history, that's all.

♥♥♥♥ the middle east muslims tho.

[SmashBaal]

Europe wasn't united during the whole period, on the contrary : countries such as France and Venice were allies of the Ottomans for diverse reasons ( Commercial trades, rivalry with the Habsbourg dynasty...)
The Ottomans had the advantage of mercenaries and numbers against the disunited balkanese kingdoms, as well as the non implication of most of european kingdoms
But, once certain of these kingdoms (and not half of Europe) leagued against the Ottomans ( who have been WRECKED at Lepante, Vienna and the Great Siege of Malta), Ottoman were no more a threat and began there decline. The 18th century can be sumed up as them being trashed from Europe by the Russians and Austro-Hungarians, only saved by the French and English kings who didn't want new rivals.

Their military history is not bad, on the contrary, but overestimated. Real warfare breakthrough in the 18th century took place in Europe, not in the Ottoman Empire.

[Shouravik]

Originally posted by SuperEyeShot PHC$:

Europe wasn't united during the whole period, on the contrary : countries such as France and Venice were allies of the Ottomans for diverse reasons ( Commercial trades, rivalry with the Habsbourg dynasty...)
The Ottomans had the advantage of mercenaries and numbers against the disunited balkanese kingdoms, as well as the non implication of most of european kingdoms
But, once certain of these kingdoms (and not half of Europe) leagued against the Ottomans ( who have been WRECKED at Lepante, Vienna and the Great Siege of Malta), Ottoman were no more a threat and began there decline. The 18th century can be sumed up as them being trashed from Europe by the Russians and Austro-Hungarians, only saved by the French and English kings who didn't want new rivals.

Their military history is not bad, on the contrary, but overestimated. Real warfare breakthrough in the 18th century took place in Europe, not in the Ottoman Empire.

Yeah let's completely ignore that the Poles consistently blunted their nose every time they got rowdy.

[Armored Baron]

Originally posted by Renegade Prime:

Originally posted by SuperEyeShot PHC$:

Europe wasn't united during the whole period, on the contrary : countries such as France and Venice were allies of the Ottomans for diverse reasons ( Commercial trades, rivalry with the Habsbourg dynasty...)
The Ottomans had the advantage of mercenaries and numbers against the disunited balkanese kingdoms, as well as the non implication of most of european kingdoms
But, once certain of these kingdoms (and not half of Europe) leagued against the Ottomans ( who have been WRECKED at Lepante, Vienna and the Great Siege of Malta), Ottoman were no more a threat and began there decline. The 18th century can be sumed up as them being trashed from Europe by the Russians and Austro-Hungarians, only saved by the French and English kings who didn't want new rivals.

Their military history is not bad, on the contrary, but overestimated. Real warfare breakthrough in the 18th century took place in Europe, not in the Ottoman Empire.

Yeah let's completely ignore that the Poles consistently blunted their nose every time they got rowdy.

Let's also not forget that the Poles charged tanks with horses.

[Shouravik]

Originally posted by 82DK A. Soldier:

Originally posted by Renegade Prime:

Yeah let's completely ignore that the Poles consistently blunted their nose every time they got rowdy.

Let's also not forget that the Poles charged tanks with horses.

Panzer divisions we're nothing but light armor with supporting infantry. Cavalry were used to neutralize the supporting infantry.

[SmashBaal]

Polish Cavalry never charged the tanks. In fact, they were used as elite mobile infantry who were using among their weaponry the best anti-tank rifle of WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wz._35_anti-tank_rifle

The myth started when polish cavalry charged german infantry and had been intercepted by german armoured vehicles.

[Mack]

nah Turks won cus of numbers. Suleimans forces were litterally based on quantity over quality and thats why he ded. Seljuks were alteast 1 million. Also took Bulgaria and other countries cus of unorganization.

[Oodler1]

Originally posted by 503 A. Soldier:

Originally posted by Brave Odysseus:

Remove Kebaaaaaab!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs

Look I am not against the Turks or Ottomans, on the contrary I hold the highest respect for them.

They beat the Crusaders and Western nations on several occasions but this guy is just overestimating them.

And let this be clear, I am not part of this "Remove kebab" movement.

Nor am I with the Turks/Ottomans.

I just have respect for them because of their military history, that's all.

♥♥♥♥ the middle east muslims tho.

that end bit is just racist



also yeah the ottomans were declining at that point in time not really "crushing" the europeans, the government was far too decentralized and corrupt to do any of that. For the purpose of game balance nizam-i-cedid would be nice to see, but its more realistic without them, unless they were put as some kind of reform upgrade (idk really).

And also ottoman army wasnt based off of sheer numbers, their original success (more so in anatolia than europe) was their technological superiority in relatively advanced gunpowder weapons that were widely used, however they were carried on by superior tactics with cavalry and lighter infantry, though especially with artillery. Once both these advantages were gone and the decline set in, the main thing holding them on was an incredible advantage in logistics and fortifcation over the austrian and russian rivals, slowing the pace of their advance for hundreds of years.

In WWI, the level of corruption and disorganization, and complete decentralization, meant all of the previous advantages were gone, and all that was left was the bravery of many of their soldiers and generals who did their best against all odds, and with horrendous leadership {enver pasa im looking at u}.