Which Level Is the Hardest???

[🩸Nightmare King🩸]

I was started thinking about this because I remember when developer used to say things like - "MM will be BIGGEST and HARDEST level of all time!!!" same about mama bear level. To my disappointment none of them was that masochistic at all.

The hardest level to my mind is Torment Therapy and if someone will go against that then I dont know what kind of god you are. Nurses are the most op (and fun) enemies in the game due of fact invinsibility and speed is a broken combo. And in addition the amount of traps in this level is tremendous!

Except Nurses' level I would say that Crazy Carnevil is also hard. Deadly Decadence used to be hard, but after Gold Watchers nerf it is kinda plain.

MM maybe chaotis but the way to win the level was just to spam primal fear, invinsibility and shards magnes. All zones took like less than 3 minutes to finish and the only threat in them is random Hungry charges through walls.

BB is just easier and longer version of CC. It quickly turns into "primal fear/invinsibility simulator" and the only way to screw up in this level is to messed up your cooldowns. Zones maybe long as ♥♥♥♥ but teddies wasnt that much of the problem. Clowns from CC was dangerous due of their "hive-mind" and there was always that pieace of mystery like "do I stunned all the groupe??" or "did all of them belong to the same groupe??". And that makes CC harder than BB - the rng aspect of army of clowns.

To my mind hardest levels are: Torment Therapy (definitely!), then Crazy Carnevil and after it Mascots, Decadence or Buried (order up to you for those three)

What is your opinion guys!?!?! Im really up to know it :333

[Box]

I actually found the Nurses pretty weak enemies of chapter 4 when the chase music starts just use primal fear and they can't do anything the traps on the other hand makes the level hell.

[Matijalec]

TT is the hardest in story mode imo too. But when it comes to S-ranking it, it's actually not that hard bc vanish power does a lot in this level. (Don't go for S rank yet bc bonus shard doesn't spawn in zone 2 and the game often crashes after beating Matron).
Also, Matron is the hardest boss imo right now. I remember both Vince and SmackNPie saying Joykill will cause us by far the most trouble, but I beat him on my 2nd try.

[Markiplier]

if this helps, ill note the hardest bit of every level in my opinion so its easier to decide, in monkey business, its the smart AI that try to trap you make it hard, currently, agatha in the elementary evil level at the escape bit before the boss is annoying, as she can tteleport in the hallway you need to get into the start bit, deadly decades is the boss but also the gold watchers, sicne the fake gold watchers can scare you in deadly decades, for stranger sewers its definitly the doors what make it hard, crazy carnevil has to be the ammount of clowns and getting a good start for the boss, the nurses is the boss because of her charges, but also the saws and traps, in mascot mayhem is penny flying down in zone 1, and hangry randomly bursting through the wall, and also getting joykill pushed into the lava, and lastly in bearly buried is the soul collecting in my opinion in that big cave, with the 3 fake ring pieces, i think bearly buried is the hardest, but thats cause of the buggy start i think, if the game wasent buggy then its definitly mascot mayhem because of the chaos.

[🩸Nightmare King🩸]

Originally posted by Box_69:

I actually found the Nurses pretty weak enemies of chapter 4 when the chase music starts just use primal fear and they can't do anything the traps on the other hand makes the level hell.

thats right, but primal fear is pretty much counter for all monster. The thing is - nurses can get to you faster than very other monsters except maybe Lucky

[🩸Nightmare King🩸]

Originally posted by Mastermind:

TT is the hardest in story mode imo too. But when it comes to S-ranking it, it's actually not that hard bc vanish power does a lot in this level. (Don't go for S rank yet bc bonus shard doesn't spawn in zone 2 and the game often crashes after beating Matron).
Also, Matron is the hardest boss imo right now. I remember both Vince and SmackNPie saying Joykill will cause us by far the most trouble, but I beat him on my 2nd try.

are you sure? I noticed that in zone 2 red nurses dont really care about vanish power and still catch you even if you far from them. But you are right, JoyKill was just big dissapointment

[Rotom]

from a straight difficulty point of view I think CC is the hardest, the amount of clowns in zone 2 made that a nightmare for me especially with how big it was. With bugs BB is the hardest because of the act 1 BS, but without the bug it wouldn't even be close. MM is definitely up there with CC, but 100% of its difficulty comes from being killed by an enemy randomly teleporting directly onto you so you can't even react (hangry with the and to a lesser extent the teleporting in zone 1), the random invisible walls that appear in zone 1, and the super ♥♥♥♥♥♥ secret in zone 3 that's luck based. Joykill can be a bit finicky and it throwing you into lava whenever it feels like it is a pain in the ass, but still.

tl;dr
CC Is the hardest difficulty-wise
BB is the hardest counting bugs that shouldn't be there
MM is the hardest purely due to BS and luck, but I wouldn't call that difficulty.

[:)]

Originally posted by 🩸Nightmare King🩸:

Originally posted by Mastermind:

TT is the hardest in story mode imo too. But when it comes to S-ranking it, it's actually not that hard bc vanish power does a lot in this level. (Don't go for S rank yet bc bonus shard doesn't spawn in zone 2 and the game often crashes after beating Matron).
Also, Matron is the hardest boss imo right now. I remember both Vince and SmackNPie saying Joykill will cause us by far the most trouble, but I beat him on my 2nd try.

are you sure? I noticed that in zone 2 red nurses dont really care about vanish power and still catch you even if you far from them. But you are right, JoyKill was just big dissapointment

I wouldve beaten joykill so much more easily if i had known that primal fear worked -_-

[Matijalec]

Originally posted by wizopunk:

Originally posted by 🩸Nightmare King🩸:

are you sure? I noticed that in zone 2 red nurses dont really care about vanish power and still catch you even if you far from them. But you are right, JoyKill was just big dissapointment

I wouldve beaten joykill so much more easily if i had known that primal fear worked -_-

I didn't know it too, but I beat him on 2nd try even without primal fear. The only thing is if you push im in the lava and he is not stunned, the game crashes.

[🩸Nightmare King🩸]

Originally posted by Vox:

from a straight difficulty point of view I think CC is the hardest, the amount of clowns in zone 2 made that a nightmare for me especially with how big it was. With bugs BB is the hardest because of the act 1 BS, but without the bug it wouldn't even be close. MM is definitely up there with CC, but 100% of its difficulty comes from being killed by an enemy randomly teleporting directly onto you so you can't even react (hangry with the and to a lesser extent the teleporting in zone 1), the random invisible walls that appear in zone 1, and the super ♥♥♥♥♥♥ secret in zone 3 that's luck based. Joykill can be a bit finicky and it throwing you into lava whenever it feels like it is a pain in the ass, but still.

tl;dr
CC Is the hardest difficulty-wise
BB is the hardest counting bugs that shouldn't be there
MM is the hardest purely due to BS and luck, but I wouldn't call that difficulty.

that's what Im talking about. MM isn't that hard after all. The thing is the JoyJoyGang randomly spawns on your back whenever you trigger camera, wall or something else. It is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheap way to kill. I think developer wanted them to be so dangerous due of fact they react to certain things, but had no time to make it more interesting so he has put random spawns instead of for example: ultra speed on lucky from another part of the map when you trigger camera. And yeah, zone 3 to my mind is just a joke...especially the secret you talking about.

[Wambufan]

this is all SUPER opinionated, but i think torment therapy wold have been the most difficult if not for telekinesis. the fact that the nurses almost out-speed a fully upgraded speed boost makes them hard to avoid. they have a ranged stunning pill attack, but unlike the duckys and penny, they dont pause and dance when you are stunned, meaning that if you get stunned, its curtains for you. you might say "just stun them lmao" well yes, but the moment one spots you, it lets the others know. so even after the one that was chasing you gets stunned, if the other girls are not in range of primal fear, they can quickly close the gap between you. as for the others, mascot mayhem is underwelmingly easy, due to the low amount of soul shards, and small size of zone 3. bearly berried is chalangeing without the powers, but thats about it.

[Rotom]

Originally posted by 🩸Nightmare King🩸:

that's what Im talking about. MM isn't that hard after all. The thing is the JoyJoyGang randomly spawns on your back whenever you trigger camera, wall or something else. It is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheap way to kill. I think developer wanted them to be so dangerous due of fact they react to certain things, but had no time to make it more interesting so he has put random spawns instead of for example: ultra speed on lucky from another part of the map when you trigger camera. And yeah, zone 3 to my mind is just a joke...especially the secret you talking about.

It's not even with the cameras, while it is a bit BS with how close they spawn i think the camera spawning is ok. The problem is they teleport wherever they want even if you don't trigger the cameras. The big problem with the cameras isn't actually the cameras, it's vanish. The cameras are everywhere, you can't take 5 steps without running into one. This could be fine, but the only way to avoid them is vanish. If the joys didn't teleport everywhere and there was actual room to maneuver then you could take your time to make your way around them and avoid the spotlight knowing that, if the joys are on the other side of the map, you'll be safe as long as you don't trigger the camera. If you want to have the joys stay on you that hard and have so many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cameras that you can't do anything like it is now then vanish has to be a lot more friendly. As is it has an insane reload time and while that works for balancing, it doesn't when you need the power on 95% of the time due to cameras. Honestly if I could change how it works? No more teleporting for the joys, but if you trigger a camera it 1. alerts all joys on the map and 2. spawns a new joy clone into the map nearby. Yknow, actually make use of the whole cloning part of it. It still wouldn't be perfect, but then triggering a camera would become something that's expected and has consequences. You can't walk around them so sometimes you're just gonna have to trigger it due to the cooldown, but that's ok as long as you don't trigger too much, do too much and you'll get overwhelmed. Also to prevent the hangry wall BS add an area around the player, like 15M or something, where the enemies can't spawn so that they won't literally spawn on top of you.

[Rotom]

Originally posted by Wambu Fan608 ツ ඞ:

this is all SUPER opinionated, but i think torment therapy wold have been the most difficult if not for telekinesis. the fact that the nurses almost out-speed a fully upgraded speed boost makes them hard to avoid. they have a ranged stunning pill attack, but unlike the duckys and penny, they dont pause and dance when you are stunned, meaning that if you get stunned, its curtains for you. you might say "just stun them lmao" well yes, but the moment one spots you, it lets the others know. so even after the one that was chasing you gets stunned, if the other girls are not in range of primal fear, they can quickly close the gap between you. as for the others, mascot mayhem is underwelmingly easy, due to the low amount of soul shards, and small size of zone 3. bearly berried is chalangeing without the powers, but thats about it.

They alert the other nurses? I've never had that happen. Whenever a nurse would see me only that one nurse would come after me. I'd stun them and no one else would notice. weird.

[Gaming Turd]

i have to agree or it could be the first or second levels due to the lack of skills you have in them or the 3rd due the the fact that if you look away from them you could die in that very second

[abryct_]

Originally posted by Mastermind:

TT is the hardest in story mode imo too. But when it comes to S-ranking it, it's actually not that hard bc vanish power does a lot in this level. (Don't go for S rank yet bc bonus shard doesn't spawn in zone 2 and the game often crashes after beating Matron).
Also, Matron is the hardest boss imo right now. I remember both Vince and SmackNPie saying Joykill will cause us by far the most trouble, but I beat him on my 2nd try.

Imo the Matron boss fight was kind of underwhelming. Slow, takes forever to be done, and the Matron hardly ever attempts to attack you. She's just kind of there chasing you on an endless loop. Hell, the Nurses themselves seem to be the actual boss.

[AmiyaMoon]

ngl genuinely though Bearly Buried was the hardest just because the beginning with the trigger teddy that is always awake(which is still not fixed), and having to fight mama bear two times and you don't get all your powers in the start