Why The Game Theorists is Wrong

[Diet ♥♥♥]

I felt it was important to enlighten those that have been mislead by MatPat, to prevent them from spreading their misdirected beliefs amongst the community like cancer.

MatPat has 2 main points in his theeory:
1) There are 4 restaurants
2) Phone guy is the murderer

Now, here is why those are -most likely- incorrect

1) We must look at the Phone calls and the minigames. You see, it is HEAVILY implied that the dayshift guard is the murderer. 3/6 phone calls mention the dayshift guard. Take a look at what they say:

"The guard before you complained about animatronics trying to get into his office, so we moved him to the dayshift"

This implies that the dayshift guard is the murderer, as the marionette would try to get revenge on him. The marionette probably has influence over the toy animatronics as well, considering they become active before the old ones do.

" *phone guy talks about an investigation* our dayshift guard has reported nothing unusual though, and he is there opening till close"

So, the children have just gone missing, but the dayshift guard reports nothing unusual. This is a big pointer that the dayshift guard is the murderer.

"we'll probably move you to the dayshift... the position just became...available." also to tie in with it, "No one is allowed in or out...especially regarding in former employees"

It is implied here that the day shift guard has been caught, or at the very least under investigation. Thus, as I said, it is HEAVILY implied that the dayshift guard is the murderer.


Now, let's take a look at the minigames. First, it is important to note that the purple guy with the "phone" and the murderer are TWO DIFFERENT SHADES- they actually AREN'T the same color. Also, the murderer is more average height stocky-looking, where as the supposed phone guy appears tall and skinny. Finally, the murderer has blank, black eyes while the alleged phone guy has white in his eyes. The most logical explaination is that these are TWO DIFFERENT people. If the guy with the badge and phone-looking object really is phone guy, (as it possibly isn't) then he seemingly ISN'T the murderer regardless of that.

Also, it has been said that the phone guy's favor for foxy means that he is the murderer based off the foxy minigame. There is a simple explanation to counter this, and that would be that it is a reference to the fandom. The fandom's favorite character is by far Foxy, and everyone knows this.


2) Now that we have addressed why the phone guy is not the murder, let's talk about why there are THREE, and NOT FOUR places.


Once again, we must look at the phone calls and the minigames to determine why there are only 3 places.

First, the phone calls. Yet again, 3/6 calls are relevant to this, BUT before we look at what they say, we must first set the premise that FnaF 2 is set up to make you think it's a sequel, but then bring about the realization that it is in fact a prequel.

-There is no subtitle claiming it to be a prequel, it is simply "FnaF 2"
-Scott never officaly said it was prequel
-The trailer HEAVILY implies it is a sequel, but then the game reveals otherwise in the end
-Note that at first the community was divided half and half over it being a prequel or sequel. This is because people that beat the game knew it was a prequel, but people that had only played the first few nights or don't even play the game and just follow the story THOUGHT that it was a sequal out of ignorance. This is because it was set up to make you THINK it's a sequel, but then have that plot twist.


Now that we know it was set up to decieve you into thinking it's a sequel in the beginning, but then have a plot twist revealing that it's actually a prequel, let's look at those phone messages.

"Welcome to the new and improved Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" -First night

This does NOT mean there is a third Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, it is simply said to make you think this is a sequel. The restaurant is new, and it is an improved version of Fredbear's Family Diner.

"Uh, by now I'm sure you've noticed the older models sitting in the back room. Uh, those are from the previous location." (this one I made sure was word for word)

Did you catch it? He said >>>THE<<< previous location...As in one...As in THREE TOTAL locations. He also said >>>THE OLDER MODELS<<<. This means that they all came from the same place, which would have to be Fredbear's Family Diner.

"Uh, we don't have a replacement for your shift yet, but we're working on it. Uh, we're going to try to contact the original restaurant owner. Uh, I think the name of the place was..."Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that." (once again, word for word)

It is here that the original restaurant, the older location mentioned on the first night, is named "Fredbear's Family Diner." Another thing you can note is that "the previous location" and "Fredbear's family Diner" are described as "left to rot" and "closed for years"- very similar.

Now that I have shown you why the phone calls support there being only 3 locations, let's look at the minigame.

The minigame in which you play as Freddy and serve children. The Game Theorists said that this was at Fredbear's Family Diner, and I agree that it probably was. However, one piece of evidence he used to reinforce the idea is that Freddy is the only animatronic. It is important to note that the whole restaurant is clearly not portrayed in the minigame as there is no kitchen or restroom, etc. Chica and Bonnie could only be for stage acts, and Foxy of course would have his own room. Also, the point of the minigame is to depict the origin of the marionette, and thus why would any other character than the one you play as need to be present?



There's a little more I could say to "disprove" MatPat's theory, but what I have typed is all that's needed.


In conclusion, the most logical explanations would be that the dayshift guard is the murderer, and there are only 3 locations. MatPat has made some very interesting and believable theories, but his FnaF theories simply don't cut it.


EDIT: a) I forgot to put the "2)" before talking about 3 places vs. 4 places
b) bit of a grammar check

[Justin]

I just question people when they think Game Theorists come up with all these theories, when many fans were already making up the same theory long before Game Theorists ever got to it.

For example, when I was little, my big sister loved to play Legend of Zelda games.
This was back in... I think between 2002 and 2006.
I can't remember everything in grave detail, due to how young I was, but she would talk to me as she was playing Majora's Mask, about how it seems like some kind of Purgatory, and that it all seems like death.
And I'm sure other people also speculated this.
But then Game Theory shows up, does a little video, and they get all the credit.

Now, I'm not saying they're STEALING these theories, I do genuinely think they are thinking up these ideas for themselves.
It's just they shouldn't be seen as the creators of the theory when other people have also thought the same exact thing.
But yeah, I just get the feeling MatPat isn't the kind of guy that would steal that kind of stuff, I just think that his fans don't realize that he didn't invent them, and that many others speculated it already.
I still think MatPat is nice, entertaining, and intelligent. It's just his fans I kind of have an issue with.

[Gaming Eelektross]

The four places idea is just throwing me into arguments against myself, while the phone guy thing, I dont believe for 2 reasons

1) He mentioned in his episode on Mario being a phycopath that Dexter and Mario lacked emotions do to said condition. Phone guy shows emotion of fear in FNAF1 when he's about to die and he is worried for you on night 6 in FNAF2.
2) If phone guy killed the kids in FNAF2, why would he mention that they found the suit used to lure the kids. If they began getting closer to finding the killer, the killer'd usually go into hiding or isolate himself. Depending on when Fredbear's murder happened, and when the diner closed down, and if MatPat was right, the first Fazbear's opening and closing, the original murderer would be so old compared to the 20-30 year old man phone guy sounds like.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Цитата допису Maggot Gear: Crikey:

I just question people when they think Game Theorists come up with all these theories, when many fans were already making up the same theory long before Game Theorists ever got to it.

I think the majority of the theories are popular or unusual theories that someone else came up with long before their videos. Game Theory just makes those more known to the public.

[Justin]

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

Цитата допису Maggot Gear: Crikey:

I just question people when they think Game Theorists come up with all these theories, when many fans were already making up the same theory long before Game Theorists ever got to it.

I think the majority of the theories are popular or unusual theories that someone else came up with long before their videos. Game Theory just makes those more known to the public.

Yeah, and I appreciate it when Game Theory does this, it helps draw in more fans, along with more people supporting a theory.
It's just when people give them full credit for the theory, and they don't realize that they only made a video and increased the idea's popularity.

[๖ۣۜMark]

Everyone compiles bit by bit of the theory since the game came out, they made out of the clues that the community found and based their theory, yet i think its unfair that is IF they actually got information from the community itself and didn't credit, everyone here has a little share even if those are really ridiculous sequel theories, everyone is trying to contribute to the most plausible version of the story.

I find it awfully unethic to get viewers and money based on things you didn't even consider to credit for other's work, if that is implying that they tought everything 100% on their own then i have no quarries.

[ProfessorCodec]

I created a discussion here on steam a while back talking about my theories and timeline wanting anyone to give feedback and info I may have missed. One of my KEY POINTS was that there were 6 total dead children and not just the five. then matpat's video is shown to me today and he says that there are 6 total children as well..........Im more excited that the thought may have origionally came from my post than anything else. As far aas I have known I was one of very few people who thought the 6 over 5 theory...as far as anyone told me. or lack of telling me at all rather

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I will say in response to this thread that this theory is actually very possible, and if I were Scott I would have the Phone Guy be the one behind everything.

While the game does make a point to put the blame on the day guard, remember that the game also tries to make you think it's a sequel. Also if Phone Guy is the killer he would be making everything up anyway. I will point out that the day guard is arrested.

This video made me go look back and read the newspapers in the first game again carefully, and I found some interesting things I didn't notice before. The first newspaper says 2 children were reported missing on June 26, presumably in 1987, and this is when the incident happened. A suspect was caught and arrested, but here's where things get interesting. 3 more children go missing after the suspect was already convicted, meaning they arrested the wrong guy. So this means the killer has to actually be either Phone Guy or Jeremy.

The reason the two versions of the purple guy differ is because the one in the Give Cake and Foxy minigame represents every employee (this is part of their programming that makes them attack night guards), whereas the one in Follow the Marionette is THE purple man.

The 4 restaurants theory comes from what is more likely a continuity error on Scott's part. As stated before the first game says the incident happened in the summer but the date on the checks say FNaF2 takes place in November, though Phone Guy does say "Welcome to your new summer job". Scott might have put the November dates on the checks to match the first game, and this was also around the actual date the game came out, leading to this error. However, if we assume Scott didn't make an error you might be thinking "Well, it obviously must have happened in Fredbear's instead." but the newspaper in the first game also specifically says the incident happened in "Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria". So either there are 3 pizzerias and Scott made an error, or there are 4 and the murders happened in that one we haven't heard of.

Other Possible Reasons Phone Guy could be the murderer:
-He openly lies to Mike Schmidt, he knows the animatronics have been reprogrammed to attack night guards but he never tells this to Mike.
-The characters killing you because they think you're an endoskeleton is BS, Bonnie completely ignores Golden Freddy's endoskeleton backstage. Which means he lied to Jeremy as well.
-When he is "killed" in the office on Night 4, how does he know the animatronics take the night guards to the backstage when he's been the only night guard in the second Fazbear's?
-Scott will most likely be doing the voice in FNaF3, how will he explain this since it is most likely a sequel?

Intended Meta Joke:
-Scott is essentially Phone Guy. If he's the murderer in the story, this would mean the actual creator of the game is behind everything.

[Diet ♥♥♥]

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

I will say in response to this thread that this theory is actually very possible, and if I were Scott I would have the Phone Guy be the one behind everything.

While the game does make a point to put the blame on the day guard, remember that the game also tries to make you think it's a sequel. Also if Phone Guy is the killer he would be making everything up anyway. I will point out that the day guard is arrested.

The game isn't blatantly obvious about the dayshift guard being the murderer, it takes some thinking to put the pieces together in full. This is opposite to how the game made it seem blatantly obvious to be a sequel in the beginning. In the same way, Phone Guy never blames the dayshift guard for anything, or even directly imply something about him (other than getting fired).

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

This video made me go look back and read the newspapers in the first game again carefully, and I found some interesting things I didn't notice before. The first newspaper says 2 children were reported missing on June 26, presumably in 1987, and this is when the incident happened. A suspect was caught and arrested, but here's where things get interesting. 3 more children go missing after the suspect was already convicted, meaning they arrested the wrong guy. So this means the killer has to actually be either Phone Guy or Jeremy.

This does not imply two separate murders. 2 children went missing initially, and then they realized 5 were missing. Hence it says "Five children are NOW linked to THE incident at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza."

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

The reason the two versions of the purple guy differ is because the one in the Give Cake and Foxy minigame represents every employee (this is part of their programming that makes them attack night guards), whereas the one in Follow the Marionette is THE purple man.

There is nothing to support that. That is literally just something you made up. I mean seriously, by your logic the purple guy that holds the alleged phone should look the same as the other one then.

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

The 4 restaurants theory comes from what is more likely a continuity error on Scott's part. As stated before the first game says the incident happened in the summer but the date on the checks say FNaF2 takes place in November, though Phone Guy does say "Welcome to your new summer job". Scott might have put the November dates on the checks to match the first game, and this was also around the actual date the game came out, leading to this error. However, if we assume Scott didn't make an error you might be thinking "Well, it obviously must have happened in Fredbear's instead." but the newspaper in the first game also specifically says the incident happened in "Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria". So either there are 3 pizzerias and Scott made an error, or there are 4 and the murders happened in that one we haven't heard of.

The date on the check (excluding the year) is reference to the game's release. Nothing more, nothing less. The second game takes place during the summer as phone guy said.

Цитата допису DarkLordWiggles:

Other Possible Reasons Phone Guy could be the murderer:
-He openly lies to Mike Schmidt, he knows the animatronics have been reprogrammed to attack night guards but he never tells this to Mike.
-The characters killing you because they think you're an endoskeleton is BS, Bonnie completely ignores Golden Freddy's endoskeleton backstage. Which means he lied to Jeremy as well.
-When he is "killed" in the office on Night 4, how does he know the animatronics take the night guards to the backstage when he's been the only night guard in the second Fazbear's?
-Scott will most likely be doing the voice in FNaF3, how will he explain this since it is most likely a sequel?

1) He tells Mike what he needs to know to survive, and of course plays it down because the company needs someone to do the job.

2) He did not "lie" to Jeremy- hence he said "the working theory" in the second game. In Mike's case, of course Phone guy isn't going to say "yeah they're haunted." The whole endoskeleton thing is the best not-supernatural explanation.

3)...Because that's where all the suits are? Not hard to put that together based on Phone Guy's theory of what happens.

4) FnaF 3 is irrelevant until it is released.



Like I have said, the dayshift guard is the murderer, and there are only 3 places.

[R3D H3D]

MatPat's theories can get a little confusing at some times, but it seems pretty logical to me. And if there were ANOTHER fnaf game and only three places, that would either force Scott to make a sequel for Fnaf 1 or a prequel of Fredbear's. UNLESS he wanted to make ANOTHER prequel inbetween Fredbear's and Fnaf 2, which could be a possibility.Oh, and you said you had MORE to disprove MatPat's theory, but would'nt give it to us. Im gonna need a bit more convincing to turn away from one of my favorite YouTubers.

[Diet ♥♥♥]

Цитата допису Jabjab67:

MatPat's theories can get a little confusing at some times, but it seems pretty logical to me. And if there were ANOTHER fnaf game and only three places, that would either force Scott to make a sequel for Fnaf 1 or a prequel of Fredbear's. UNLESS he wanted to make ANOTHER prequel inbetween Fredbear's and Fnaf 2, which could be a possibility.Oh, and you said you had MORE to disprove MatPat's theory, but would'nt give it to us. Im gonna need a bit more convincing to turn away from one of my favorite YouTubers.

I already "disproved" his theory with what's there. If you can't refute what I have said and still don't believe it, then you're simply just another fanboy that blindly follows MatPat- the very cancer this post is supposed to eradicate

[ChankoBrando]

I think we should take these theories for what they are. Theories.

MatPat makes these theories to boggle your brain but the final line he says in EVERY Game Theory video is "But, hey! That's just a theory! A GAME THEORY!" so even he knows it is just a theory of his. He is explaining his side of it from a research standpoint. But, at the same time, they aren't facts and Scott hasn't made any true light of alot of the things fans had come up with. But, Theories are no different than opinions really. Everyone has their own version of who did what, so, why not share all theories rather than try to explain why someone is wrong? :)

[Megaskully]

bruh it's just a theroy, do not jump and say "this is wrong and do not belivie it bla bla bla". I found it to be very interesting. I don't agree fully because I think the guy you play as in night 7 (couldn't spell his name lol" is the murder because he nows robotics and someone hacked the animontronics.

[Employee 427]

I must point out that its called a THEORY, but thank you for your input. The purple man does not look like he is holding a phone to me... if you want the facts watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anfs5idQeJI

[Employee 427]

Also Mat is wrong about something VERY important: The first game is in 1992, not 1993. The reason why is in the above video.

[bruh]

I love how no one actually reads the title of his videos. It's called game THEORY for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason.