Game of Thrones - A Telltale Games Series

Game of Thrones - A Telltale Games Series

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Discalceate Jun 21, 2015 @ 8:51am
A step too far.
Yes, Ramsay Snow is a git. He can get away with raping his wife, he can ge away with torturing a prisoner of war in the most extreme manner, but walking into the holding of a vassal, being welcomed by the 13 year old lord of the manor and arbitrarily killing him for no reason?
I doubt even Ramsay could get away with that.
Bit too contrived.
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Well technically at that point he's the Warden of the North so he kind of can. The Forrester's are a house who openly rebelled against the realm through siding with Robb so nobody would care.
Discalceate Jun 21, 2015 @ 9:19am 
Ah, but the Lord who rebelled was slain at the red wedding, and House Bolton sided with Stark during the war of the five kings as well.
Plus, its Roose Bolton who is Warden of the North, at this point in the story Ramsay is a bastard trying to prove his worth (even if he is an evil twisted *rudeword*), I can't see how reports of a vassal was slaughtered in his own hall for no good reason would help his standing!
Originally posted by Discalceate:
Ah, but the Lord who rebelled was slain at the red wedding, and House Bolton sided with Stark during the war of the five kings as well.
Plus, its Roose Bolton who is Warden of the North, at this point in the story Ramsay is a bastard trying to prove his worth (even if he is an evil twisted *rudeword*), I can't see how reports of a vassal was slaughtered in his own hall for no good reason would help his standing!

He'd be the acting Warden of the North at that point or at least his actions could be retroactively described as such if someone were to question things.Roose did side with Robb but he also sold out the Starks to the Lannisters so and was made Warden of the North so he was pardoned for his actions.

Those actions wouldn't help his standing but Ramsey already has that reputation. But that's different from being able to get away with what he did.
Discalceate Jun 21, 2015 @ 10:26am 
Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but I think that was a bit of a step too far. Ramsay is a *rudeword*, but he is not a moron!
Dongald Jeffreys Jun 21, 2015 @ 12:19pm 
In the show it's revealed Ramsay has murdered lords of small Houses like the Forresters while "ensuring their loyalty". Roose chastises him for it.
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Kev Jun 21, 2015 @ 1:05pm 
I have to agree with you. Whenever Ramsay walks on the screen it really breaks the fourth wall for me. Because I KNOW that since he is still alive in the show at that point, that he has unbreakable plot armor. There is no scenario that will end with anything of consequence happening to him. Whereas with the Whitehills, I know that while they can be insufferable ♥♥♥♥♥, there's at least a slim chance they may get their retribution. It creates suspense. Plot armor is the death of suspense.
Statikk Sheep Jun 21, 2015 @ 1:37pm 
I thought it was pretty brutal as well, but he IS the warden of the North and in Westeros, all sorts of politically injust things happen so :P
Bee Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:05pm 
As the Warden of the North, he doesn't only can "get a way with it", he has all the right to kill a minor lord of a house that rebelled against him/the Crown. That's what the Forresters get for siding with Robb.
Lord_William Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:05pm 
No he's not. He's a commoner. He's the b-a-s-t-a-r-d son of Lord recently "promoted" to Warden. Warden by the way is nothing but an honorific title wich more or less mean "very strong Lord", and theoretically in case of war, and only in case of war, the "Warden" commands the armies of his area. Otherwise, nothing, for the Tyrells are Wardens of the south yet they have ZERO power over the Prince of Dorne (which is part of "the south"), for example.
Remember Cedric (I believe it was the name...), the bstrd of Robert Baratheon? He's nobody. Nobody. If he killed a noble he would be tortured to death.

At this point he is not even legitimized. He's a nobody who just murdered a noble Lord. It's more or less like Jon Snow going to Gulltown and murdering the Manderly Lord there, and say "Eh, I'm a Stark bstrd, so u cant touch me birch!".

But yes, I guess blah blah blah chaos blah blah nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ blah Tommen is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incompetent blah Cersei hates everybody and just want to bring misery to the world blah blah House Clover and House Manderly and the northern clans and Stannis apparently don't give a ♥♥♥♥ etc etc etc.
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Lord_William Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:08pm 
Originally posted by Bee:
As the Warden of the North, he doesn't only can "get a way with it", he has all the right to kill a minor lord of a house that rebelled against him/the Crown. That's what the Forresters get for siding with Robb.

Wrong. He doesn't have authority to kill Nobles houses unless with the explicit permit of the King; even if they rebelled, they can be pardoned, as in several rebellions before, AND the King had no chance to say anything because this power grab literally happened two days before (think that Rodrik is still alive and hasn't yet arrived, so how much can a very wounded man without water survive in the back of a cart? Three days? Four?). That he MAY have, but it feel kind of weird that two days after the Red Wedding he's apparently Mr. Untouchable already.
Bee Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:37pm 
Originally posted by William_Dracul:
Originally posted by Bee:
As the Warden of the North, he doesn't only can "get a way with it", he has all the right to kill a minor lord of a house that rebelled against him/the Crown. That's what the Forresters get for siding with Robb.

Wrong. He doesn't have authority to kill Nobles houses unless with the explicit permit of the King; even if they rebelled, they can be pardoned, as in several rebellions before, AND the King had no chance to say anything because this power grab literally happened two days before (think that Rodrik is still alive and hasn't yet arrived, so how much can a very wounded man without water survive in the back of a cart? Three days? Four?). That he MAY have, but it feel kind of weird that two days after the Red Wedding he's apparently Mr. Untouchable already.

Yes, he can, for the simply fact that the Crown won't punish him for it.

Roose Bolton, represented by Ramsay Bolton, can do whatever the hell he wants in the north because he rules over it, only answering to the Crown. It is a WAR. The Forresters are a very small and insignificant house, the kind of house that is wiped when this kind of ♥♥♥♥ happens. If he killed someone that the Crown cared about, someone that would be worth something if pardoned, it is another thing entirely. All Roose has to say is that the Forresters refused to bend the knee (or, better yet, attacked him).

No, really, what do you think the Crown would do to one of their biggest allies? Do you think they would throw Ramsay in a dungeon or something?

So, as I said, he is Mr. Untouchable because nobody that is above him is going to make the cute mistake of trying to punish him for killing someone so insignificant.
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Discalceate Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:50pm 
Roose Bolton can do what he wants in the North.
And even that has limits, he is already going to be unpopular being a proven traitor, he cannot run around provoking his new vassals.
Ramsay Bolton cannot do what he wants without provoking the wrath of his father, who has not even legitamised him at this point. If he runs around slaughtering vassals, other vassals would be likely to react.
Dongald Jeffreys Jun 21, 2015 @ 3:57pm 
Originally posted by Discalceate:
Roose Bolton can do what he wants in the North.
And even that has limits, he is already going to be unpopular being a proven traitor, he cannot run around provoking his new vassals.
Ramsay Bolton cannot do what he wants without provoking the wrath of his father, who has not even legitamised him at this point. If he runs around slaughtering vassals, other vassals would be likely to react.

Did you read my comment? Roose was mad at Ramsay in the show because Ramsay killed some lords.
Lord_William Jun 21, 2015 @ 4:21pm 
Bee: You are right, regarding this. I don't expect Ramsay to be thrown into chains (except by his father), however, I would expect that he would be given a warning: Stop poking the North Hornet Nest or else.

The last thing the Crown would want, with Stannis running around and the Ironborn messing with the Westerlands AND the North, is provoke the northern lords to join Stannis army en masse. Which is by the way what happens in the book, so this may be a moot point. That is, Ramsay is acting like and idiot because, smart or not, he's an imbecile with the ability to rule over anything similar to Joffrey.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't be killed, that is, if I'm a Lord and this guy kills my son in front of me, I may decide that my life is not worth so much and behead him where he stands, make my guards kill his, and send my family away. Even if that means a war with the Boltons that I cannot win; best case scenario, another rebellion starts in the North.

What people are unhappy about here is the absolute PASSIVITY with which the murder in cold blood and for no reason (he already swore loyalty, so murderim him after means murdering one of your bannermen for nothing - you are already breaking the feudal contract) is received by everybody. All they can think is "Damn Whitehills!" instead of "Let's check out which houses are still oppossing them, and let's decide if it's more useful an army of 200 sellswords or paying that same amount to two lysene assassins for the head of the Bast--ard" (mind you, they send Malcom to Essos to recruit an army! It's an army what you really need against the Boltons? Or even against the Whitehills, what is going to happen if you assault and lay waste to their castle... won't the Boltons intervene? So the sellsword army is for...?).
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Bee Jun 21, 2015 @ 5:14pm 
William_Dracul, I agree with you.

I expected, to be honest, that at least House Glover gave any sort of sign that they still care, since the Forresters are directly under them. At this point, as I said before on another thread, I am wondering if Telltale kept them out of the game completely. Because really, if there is ANYONE that would react to Ethan's murder, that would be House Glover. I am not saying House Glover could attack the Boltons or even the Whitehills, I assume they lost a lot of men for ending up on the Stark's side of the war, but I would expect at least a message. Any sign that they are still there.
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