All 16 endings [SPOILERS]

[Matt]

A lot of people didn't like that you can't win the last battle. Well of course, you can't because the Forresters lost their power at the Freys, and they didn't have any allies. The only realistic outcome was losing the battle. This is not a fairy tale, where the good guys win, because they are the good guys. Deal with it.

Still, the game has a lot of different endings, here are all of them:

1. Mira dies, Asher kills Ludd, North Grove leaving

2. Mira dies, Asher kills Ludd, North Grove staying

3. Mira dies, Asher kills Gryff, North Grove leaving

4. Mira dies, Asher kills Gryff, North Grove staying

5. Mira dies, Rodrick kills Ludd, North Grove leaving

6. Mira dies, Rodrick kills Ludd, North Grove staying

7. Mira dies, Rodrick kills Gryff, North Grove staying

8. Mira dies, Rodrick kills Gryff, North Grove leaving

9. Mira lives, Asher kills Ludd, North Grove leaving

10. Mira lives, Asher kills Ludd, North Grove staying

11. Mira lives, Asher kills Gryff, North Grove staying

12. Mira lives, Asher kills Gryff, North Grove leaving

13. Mira lives, Rodrick kills Ludd, North Grove leaving

14. Mira lives, Rodrick kills Ludd, North Grove staying

15. Mira lives, Rodrick kills Gryff, North Grove staying

16. Mira lives, Rodrick kills Gryff, North Grove leaving

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My problem is not that you only lose the entire time no matter what you do (which is already pointless to buy this game)
My problem is that telltale couldnt at least create one scene where the forrester doesnt act like stupid morons
Asher and Rodrick could easily kill Ludd AND Gryff but no
And their deaths was so easy avoidable or it didnt make any sense, why ?
Because telltale want to keep boring me with these shock deaths and moments again and again and again. Thats so lazy...

[Matt]

I just don't agree with you. The plot was very well written. Sure, the characters made some mistakes, but that doesn't make them "stupid morons". Most of the people just can't accept, that some very likeable characters can't be saved, and there are battles which can't be won, no matter how hard you try. Eventually, this is what Game of Thrones is about.

[Matt]

Their mistakes were too large to forgive to you, but not to me.
"Lose and die for no reason"
No reason? Dude, this is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you know that. Everything happened by reason, but I don't want to argue with you, you are clearly a hater of the game. I just can't take you seriously, because you only want to see the bad in the game, sorry. In my opinion this is a very emotional, dramatic experience, with perfect writing, plenty of interesting characters and with a really, REALLY brutal ending. It has some minor mistakes, but they absolutaly can be forgiven because the story has so many positive elements.

[Matt]

1. Yes, because Ramsay already made up his mind, he didn't care about Ethan's deal, he went to Ironrath to spill some blood and intimidate the Forresters.
2. Killing Gryff would have been a very VERY stupid decision.
3. I don't think it is hard to hide at a place like that, besides, how do you know the place wasn't checked?
4. Well he was probably shocked, his mother was dying next to him.
5. That would have been suicide, a distraction was obviously needed.
6. That was a stupid mistake, I give you that.

[Matt]

Let's continue than
1. Because everybody thought Ramsay came to negotiate, but they didn't know him enough. This sequence of the story was important, we learned about the characters, gave us motivation against the Whitehills and the Boltons and also showed us how dangerous this world is, sometimes you can't win, no matter what you try to do.
2. Rodrik and the others never wanted to kill Gryff, it wasn't an option, so there was no decison about that. Keeping Gryff as a prisoner might have brought some advantages to the fight against the Whitehills if the traitor doesn't let him escape.
3. The Whitehills probably played a lot of hide & seek and they hid very well. They were probably there way before Asher and Rodrick arrived.
4. I rewatched that scene and I think Asher didn't want to kill Gryff in front of Gwyn. Which makes sense in my opinion because Asher still loved Gwyn.
5. You say there were a few, Rodrik says the place is crowling with them. Who is right?

[Wat]

If Asher calls off the attack, Gwyn will fight alongside him. It slightly changes the action sequence during the battle, and also the last scene.

[Zaris]

The game was just horrible. I can remember the last scene where they got ambushed in the city and the one brother hold the gate open and got killed. That was just a constructed and stupid scene.

On the other hand the story isn't over. Like in the GoT movies/books the situation just got worse in the beginning but in the end the "good ones" gathered allies, ressources and now are striking back like at the end of the last season where Ramsey got destroyed and now there is only Cersei, Daenerys and John Snow left.

They maybe join John Snow in season 2 of the game and it ends with killing Ramsey otherwise the next season would be only about torturing the remaining Forresters.

[JRS]

I had to kill my friend duncan the snitch, rodrick died, I killed my own mother to kill Ludd, mira was decapitated and gryff is still alive, 11/10 worst ending ever

[Mysti_Fogg]

Originally posted by Matt:

I just don't agree with you. The plot was very well written. Sure, the characters made some mistakes, but that doesn't make them "stupid morons". Most of the people just can't accept, that some very likeable characters can't be saved, and there are battles which can't be won, no matter how hard you try. Eventually, this is what Game of Thrones is about.

For an example of stupid morons:

1) I spared the traitor who told me that there was an ambush going to pick up Asher. Knowing this, I pick a dialogue option that I hope will lead to me preparing for dealing with this by doing something else. Roderik's story picks up with him walking blindly into the ambush anyway. I felt no pity when he died. I wanted both Asher and Rodrick dead at that point for being idiots. Asher makes a comment indicating he feels the situation is not good either.

2) I left the Branfield archers to guard my keep and took the traitor with me to visit with Ludd. Somehow the Bastard got in anyway and murdered them. My soldiers are idiots.

3) I choose to take the archers with me to Ludd's. Somehow when I get back, the Bastard has killed them all in a period of 5 minutes and is torturing Arthur in front of me even though he was behind me. I'm apparently an idiot and an incompetent. Did I just black out for an hour while people moved around me?

4) Mira goes to talk to Tyrion. She has no option to give him non-verbal cues to indicate that they're being listened to and this is a set up. Which is something she could totally do by using her eyes and head.

5) You have no option to leave the wine behind when going to talk to Tyrion if you want to play it straight with Cersei. Because the first time playing the game I looked for some way to refuse that judge of wine because I knew Tyrion would know Cersei had sent me if I carried it in.

6) Gerard can fight his attacker at the Wall completely defensively, asking him to stop the entire time, but he still dies and falls off the wall. And you still get accused of murder even if you've done an exemplary job at the Watch and even though they're short of good men.


I don't care if Rodrick or Asher has to die for plot reasons. It would be nice if they didn't die stupidly. I liked them reasonably well up to that point. At that point I wanted to break my computer not because I was being asked to choose between them, but because I was angry and frustrated that the choice had been so badly forced. My actual choice which I made just the scene before, was to NOT walk into the ambush in the first place. But the game didn't like that choice. In terms of dramatic tension, the choice between companions in Mass Effect is better implemented and upset me, but for all the right reasons. It wasn't a stupid death for either character there, it was a soldier's death. I still actually get upset when replaying that game, and I've replayed it 9 times so far. I have no desire to replay Game of Thrones.

I didn't care personally about Arthur one way or the other. I don't mind at all that he's dead. I do mind that his death makes no sense whichever way you play it. It's slightly better if you leave him behind and that happens. Then maybe he was just an idiot and you're better off without him. It's nonsensical if you took him with you.

Mira's entire plot line, so far as I could tell, was all about learning about court intrigue. But you can't do anything with it because apparently the writers have never had two averagely intelligent people sit down and try to communicate with each other while keeping an eavesdropper unaware as to the real content of that communication.

There are many other things I don't like, but I think those things highlight the stupidity of our "heroes."

And based on things that happened in this game: Ethan always dying in the throne room, a traitor no matter how you handle your counsel, being thrown out of the Watch and finding the North Grove even if you wanted to stay at the Wall and face trial, Tom helping Mira even if she's a ♥♥♥♥♥ who left him to die and treats him horribly, Rodrick's fiancee coming back to him with archers even if he screwed up everything.... I have no faith in Telltale's ability to tell a story with 16 possible endings.

My current theory is that:

1) Gerard will be forced out of the North Grove even if he chose to stay.
2) You will have the same battles no matter which of the 4 pairings you have: Rodrick, Asher, Ludd, or Griff, despite the fact that such generals should choose different places to make their stands and different strategies for that stand.
3) Good chance that Rodrick/Asher dies by chapter 3 of season 2 or, if not that early, by the last episode, moving to make the youngest son the hero.
4) If you chose for Mira to live, either nothing will come of it (she lingers off screen in perpetuity) or she will die shortly. Slight chance that she's not really dead if you let her die, but I'm not sure how they'd pull that off with a beheading.

I will probably watch a Let's Play of Season 2 because the story isn't a bad one so long as there's no lies about your choices making a difference. The author clearly wanted to tell HIS story and screw your choices.

[shshc]

Originally posted by Mysti_Fogg:

Originally posted by Matt:

I just don't agree with you. The plot was very well written. Sure, the characters made some mistakes, but that doesn't make them "stupid morons". Most of the people just can't accept, that some very likeable characters can't be saved, and there are battles which can't be won, no matter how hard you try. Eventually, this is what Game of Thrones is about.

For an example of stupid morons:

1) I spared the traitor who told me that there was an ambush going to pick up Asher. Knowing this, I pick a dialogue option that I hope will lead to me preparing for dealing with this by doing something else. Roderik's story picks up with him walking blindly into the ambush anyway. I felt no pity when he died. I wanted both Asher and Rodrick dead at that point for being idiots. Asher makes a comment indicating he feels the situation is not good either.

2) I left the Branfield archers to guard my keep and took the traitor with me to visit with Ludd. Somehow the Bastard got in anyway and murdered them. My soldiers are idiots.

3) I choose to take the archers with me to Ludd's. Somehow when I get back, the Bastard has killed them all in a period of 5 minutes and is torturing Arthur in front of me even though he was behind me. I'm apparently an idiot and an incompetent. Did I just black out for an hour while people moved around me?

4) Mira goes to talk to Tyrion. She has no option to give him non-verbal cues to indicate that they're being listened to and this is a set up. Which is something she could totally do by using her eyes and head.

5) You have no option to leave the wine behind when going to talk to Tyrion if you want to play it straight with Cersei. Because the first time playing the game I looked for some way to refuse that judge of wine because I knew Tyrion would know Cersei had sent me if I carried it in.

6) Gerard can fight his attacker at the Wall completely defensively, asking him to stop the entire time, but he still dies and falls off the wall. And you still get accused of murder even if you've done an exemplary job at the Watch and even though they're short of good men.


I don't care if Rodrick or Asher has to die for plot reasons. It would be nice if they didn't die stupidly. I liked them reasonably well up to that point. At that point I wanted to break my computer not because I was being asked to choose between them, but because I was angry and frustrated that the choice had been so badly forced. My actual choice which I made just the scene before, was to NOT walk into the ambush in the first place. But the game didn't like that choice. In terms of dramatic tension, the choice between companions in Mass Effect is better implemented and upset me, but for all the right reasons. It wasn't a stupid death for either character there, it was a soldier's death. I still actually get upset when replaying that game, and I've replayed it 9 times so far. I have no desire to replay Game of Thrones.

I didn't care personally about Arthur one way or the other. I don't mind at all that he's dead. I do mind that his death makes no sense whichever way you play it. It's slightly better if you leave him behind and that happens. Then maybe he was just an idiot and you're better off without him. It's nonsensical if you took him with you.

Mira's entire plot line, so far as I could tell, was all about learning about court intrigue. But you can't do anything with it because apparently the writers have never had two averagely intelligent people sit down and try to communicate with each other while keeping an eavesdropper unaware as to the real content of that communication.

There are many other things I don't like, but I think those things highlight the stupidity of our "heroes."

And based on things that happened in this game: Ethan always dying in the throne room, a traitor no matter how you handle your counsel, being thrown out of the Watch and finding the North Grove even if you wanted to stay at the Wall and face trial, Tom helping Mira even if she's a ♥♥♥♥♥ who left him to die and treats him horribly, Rodrick's fiancee coming back to him with archers even if he screwed up everything.... I have no faith in Telltale's ability to tell a story with 16 possible endings.

My current theory is that:

1) Gerard will be forced out of the North Grove even if he chose to stay.
2) You will have the same battles no matter which of the 4 pairings you have: Rodrick, Asher, Ludd, or Griff, despite the fact that such generals should choose different places to make their stands and different strategies for that stand.
3) Good chance that Rodrick/Asher dies by chapter 3 of season 2 or, if not that early, by the last episode, moving to make the youngest son the hero.
4) If you chose for Mira to live, either nothing will come of it (she lingers off screen in perpetuity) or she will die shortly. Slight chance that she's not really dead if you let her die, but I'm not sure how they'd pull that off with a beheading.

I will probably watch a Let's Play of Season 2 because the story isn't a bad one so long as there's no lies about your choices making a difference. The author clearly wanted to tell HIS story and screw your choices.

you have a good point in that comment.

All the choices are 'fake', meaning your choices don't make a difference in the game. because this game tries to be extra episodes of the Tv sereis rather then be a meaningful choices RPG, but for me that was kind of the point for your choices to not have an impact.
Because you would have to lose in order for this story to be cohesive with the TV episodes since this familly supported the starks and should have a hard time untill the game basically catches up to the show.

[Mysti_Fogg]

Originally posted by shshc:

All the choices are 'fake', meaning your choices don't make a difference in the game. because this game tries to be extra episodes of the Tv sereis rather then be a meaningful choices RPG, but for me that was kind of the point for your choices to not have an impact.
Because you would have to lose in order for this story to be cohesive with the TV episodes since this familly supported the starks and should have a hard time untill the game basically catches up to the show.

But I don't see that YOU have to fail because the Starks have failed. The Mormonts, for example, still rule bear island despite the death of the Lady and the heir in Robb Stark's army. The rulership fell to the second or third daughter (I think one or two more of the girls has been killed, but I can't recall for certain).

Anyway, they still rule. Why shouldn't the Forresters?

The failure of the Starks should just make for a great excuse for why the player is faced with extraordinary difficulties. It shouldn't cause failure in and of itself.

And I thought the story started out promisingly. Aside from using the Red Wedding to set the challenges and tone of the story, you end up having to deal with the Whitehills, a family with backing of the current/new establishment. Your choices in how to deal with your new overlords, the Boltons and the Whitehills, should have made for plenty of difficulties and a compelling story. The choices would never be easy. Do you suck up to people who treat you like garbage, trying to get on their good side as they try to destroy the basis of your power (your forests and mastery of armor making), or do you fight them tooth and nail when they have superior forces to bring to bear upon you? Mira's placement in King's Landing and her actions should have been pivotal since she has the chance, in supporting either Maege or Cersei, to be able to pull the strings of the Boltons and Whitehills and would be the best option for overcoming the stigma of the Starks.

But none of that happened even though the choices were there to do a variety of different things, the game doesn't acknowledge those choices by reacting to them differently.

[Nenkendo]

i personaly love endings where no-one realy wins.

[Shiba Inu]

Well the only one that loses is you....no matter how you play...all the choices you make just determine how hard you will fail...I only really enjoyed playing Asher in Essos cause thats where you really can accomplish anything. Gared follows the plot no matter what choice you make...and so are Mira,Ethan and Rodrik. Even if you try your best to avoid war and concede to the Boltons and Whitehills the game still slaughters you. The plot as it is is quite good...but i dont like how it is forced upon the player. I mean i totally was on Margerys side and she did nothing to help and at the end dismisses me. I mean yeah..its GoT...but all the effort all the time and at the end you get...nothing...well at least in my game Beskha survived.

[Gilgamesh]

You only have to look at your list of endings to see how bad this story is. You can choose to save 2 people. That's it. Out of everyone that can die, your actions effect two people. Out of everyone that stands against your house, you have a chance to kill 1. There probably won't even be a season 2. People try to compare this to GoT. It's not. It doesn't have the spectrum GoT did. GoT can kill a pile of people because it has HUNDREDS of characters. This game does not. You are LITERALLY left with 5 people alive at the end. Doesn't really leave much options for a season 2.

Because you'll never get the chance to kill the boltons in retaliation of Ethan. You won't be able to fight to free the north, because Jon already did it for you. The forresters were useless, and will continue to be useless. Next Episode, the Forrester sit on the wall, all 3 of them, and wait for the undead. Ryon and Beshka keep riding off to wherever they were riding off to.

[anaphylactic god]

Originally posted by Ysil69:

You only have to look at your list of endings to see how bad this story is. You can choose to save 2 people. That's it. Out of everyone that can die, your actions effect two people. Out of everyone that stands against your house, you have a chance to kill 1. There probably won't even be a season 2. People try to compare this to GoT. It's not. It doesn't have the spectrum GoT did. GoT can kill a pile of people because it has HUNDREDS of characters. This game does not. You are LITERALLY left with 5 people alive at the end. Doesn't really leave much options for a season 2.

Because you'll never get the chance to kill the boltons in retaliation of Ethan. You won't be able to fight to free the north, because Jon already did it for you. The forresters were useless, and will continue to be useless. Next Episode, the Forrester sit on the wall, all 3 of them, and wait for the undead. Ryon and Beshka keep riding off to wherever they were riding off to.

why bother with good story if people will buy anyway ?