Episode 4 Spoiler - Jack's Comment Regarding Nisha

[GB EX]

In Episode 4, assuming you take the offer of Hyperion presidency, Rhys and Jack will have a moment while examining his trophy case. Jack comments (and I paraphrase) that everyone he's ever known/cared for has betrayed him, and he goes down the list, one of whom is his girlfriend (Nisha).

My question is: When did this happen? When did Nisha ever betray him? They always seemed on amicable terms (even if their personalities didn't let it shine through).

[Ueno Station 54]

I dunno, it's never been answered specifically. Who knows though, in Jack's mind, Nisha leaving or "betraying" him could just be another way of saying she's dead. His wife died in childbirth, Moxxi DID betray him, so I would assume even if Nisha's relationship was a good one he would look back on it bitterly since he had a chip on his shoulder to begin with, and she is no longer around.

[GB EX]

Originally posted by Noctys:

I dunno, it's never been answered specifically. Who knows though, in Jack's mind, Nisha leaving or "betraying" him could just be another way of saying she's dead. His wife died in childbirth, Moxxi DID betray him, so I would assume even if Nisha's relationship was a good one he would look back on it bitterly since he had a chip on his shoulder to begin with, and she is no longer around.

Nisha death (and by extension, his wife's death too) being considered betrayals..? That's so petty. We know you're a maniac, Jack, but at least have your reasons for becoming said maniac be good ones.

It wasn't as if it was really in Nisha's hands to not be killed by the BL2 Vault Hunter(s), nor was it within his wife's control to prevent her own maternal death.

[randygilmore2001]

Originally posted by Noctys:

I dunno, it's never been answered specifically. Who knows though, in Jack's mind, Nisha leaving or "betraying" him could just be another way of saying she's dead. His wife died in childbirth, Moxxi DID betray him, so I would assume even if Nisha's relationship was a good one he would look back on it bitterly since he had a chip on his shoulder to begin with, and she is no longer around.

Jack's wife didn't die in child birth, where did you get that from?

[Ueno Station 54]

My bad, I was assuming so since they never actually said what happened to her, and he later remarried. Since Angel was a Siren I sort of figured that the mother died in childbirth, then again I suppose Angel could have just killed or crippled her at some point. They've never officially explained what happened to the first wife other than Jack saying "I know you think I'm a monster. You think I enslaved Angel. But you didn't see what she did to her mother. I had to restrain Angel's power. You get that? I had to." and then in Tales from the Borderlands he clarifies that he remarried at some point after the death of Angel's mother, and that it was his second wife who wanted the "Angel Project" shut down and who left him over it.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more questions I have. Just how old was Jack to have been able to have two wives, a grown daughter, and two girlfriends under his belt? To me, his first wife dying very early on made the most sense as far as the rest of his relationships go, I guess.

[GB EX]

Originally posted by Silentium:

My bad, I was assuming so since they never actually said what happened to her, and he later remarried. Since Angel was a Siren I sort of figured that the mother died in childbirth, then again I suppose Angel could have just killed or crippled her at some point. They've never officially explained what happened to the first wife other than Jack saying "I know you think I'm a monster. You think I enslaved Angel. But you didn't see what she did to her mother. I had to restrain Angel's power. You get that? I had to." and then in Tales from the Borderlands he clarifies that he remarried at some point after the death of Angel's mother, and that it was his second wife who wanted the "Angel Project" shut down and who left him over it.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more questions I have. Just how old was Jack to have been able to have two wives, a grown daughter, and two girlfriends under his belt? To me, his first wife dying very early on made the most sense as far as the rest of his relationships go, I guess.

I would guess the oldest Jack could probably be is around 30, 35 max. If he received cosmetic surgery (or was Asian, which he's clearly not), I would say 40'ish max.

It could also be that Jack had very short marriages. Given the ever declining longevity of marriages now, I imagine in the future, exceedingly brief marriages would be more common.

[randygilmore2001]

With the exception of Jack's first wife, where does it say he ever married anyone again? Alot of assumption going on in here. In fact when you have a showdown with Nisha in Lynchwood, and she dies, Jack says did you just kill my girl friend? The game never says that he was ever married again.

[Sofia]

There's nothing really complicated going on here.

Angel's mother betrayed Jack-- she found out what Jack wanted to do with Angel and she was against it. There are strong but unconfirmed implications this made Jack kill her and this is why he gets so touchy when anyone talks to him about his wife.

Jack's parents betrayed him by leaving him in the care of his abusive grandmother. While it isn't clear how they betrayed him, Jack is kind of nuts, and "dying, and leaving me with that crazy old woman" would count as betrayal for him.

Angel betrayed Jack pretty obviously and then more or less committed suicide (even if it was in self-defense from Jack's abuse).

Athena (while she wasn't his girlfriend or anything) left Jack's employ the moment he went nuts with power. This is betrayal for him.

Nisha betrayed Jack by dying. By the time this happens Jack is completely down the insanity hole. 'Dying' is synonymous with 'leaving', and Jack is a touchy, broken man at that point.

[Mr.Goat]

Originally posted by Moemura:

There's nothing really complicated going on here.

Angel's mother betrayed Jack-- she found out what Jack wanted to do with Angel and she was against it. There are strong but unconfirmed implications this made Jack kill her and this is why he gets so touchy when anyone talks to him about his wife.

Jack's parents betrayed him by leaving him in the care of his abusive grandmother. While it isn't clear how they betrayed him, Jack is kind of nuts, and "dying, and leaving me with that crazy old woman" would count as betrayal for him.

Angel betrayed Jack pretty obviously and then more or less committed suicide (even if it was in self-defense from Jack's abuse).

Athena (while she wasn't his girlfriend or anything) left Jack's employ the moment he went nuts with power. This is betrayal for him.

Nisha betrayed Jack by dying. By the time this happens Jack is completely down the insanity hole. 'Dying' is synonymous with 'leaving', and Jack is a touchy, broken man at that point.

You forgot Moxxi.

[Jay]

I'm late to this thread, but it's confirmed that he meant Moxxi. Dunno why he would consider his girlfriend, probably because they worked so well together during Presequel? Or they just worded it badly. Very badly.

[GB EX]

Originally posted by Jay:

I'm late to this thread, but it's confirmed that he meant Moxxi. Dunno why he would consider his girlfriend, probably because they worked so well together during Presequel? Or they just worded it badly. Very badly.

That would make more sense, but yeah, it should've been specified that it was his first (or prior-to-Nisha) girlfriend.

[stripeysox]

Maybe he saw Moxxi as more his equal than Nisha who just wanted to kill people for fun (whereas he felt he killed people for a reason, however twisted).

Also, it was said a lot that Angel killed her mother, not Jack. IMO Angel phaseshifted her mother somewhere never found, so they assumed she was killed as it could have landed her in the middle of a sun for all they knew. Since his wife died before he started losing it, I very much doubt the Jack-killed-Angel's-mother theory.

Feel I should point out as well that Jack never married Nisha. Else he would have referred to her as his wife both in BL2 after you kill Nisha ('the Sherriff') and in TFTB when he and Rhys talk about the chair.

[Jay]

Originally posted by stripeysox:

Also, it was said a lot that Angel killed her mother, not Jack. IMO Angel phaseshifted her mother somewhere never found, so they assumed she was killed as it could have landed her in the middle of a sun for all they knew. Since his wife died before he started losing it, I very much doubt the Jack-killed-Angel's-mother theory.

AI Jack seemed much more level headed than Living Jack (considering how he admitted that Angel had to commit suicide, instead of yelling "those child murderers"), so I'd totally support this.
But a year ago there was an AMA where Jack confessed to killing his first wife in a tragic accident and according to the Lead Writers ask.fm everything stated was fully canon. Even though he doesn't work there anymore, he was involved in tftb so I think they honored his established canon. So... this makes everything just more confusing.