SPOILER! Jack's treatment made no sense

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Did anyone get the vibe that it felt forced?

I completely acknowledge that Jack is an absolute douchebag, but it made zero sense for him to use Rhys as his new body if you constantly sided with him. First of all, he kept talking about his plans as "we" and he even pointed out that it was nice to have a partner that DIDN'T betray him. Second of all, he said he could get his OLD body back - why would he even /want/ Rhys? It makes zero sense!

It's far more believable that his reasons for eventually killing Rhys / getting rid of Rhys are that he doesn't want to share ruling Hyperion, but in this scene and that scenario right there, it felt like they just wanted to force conflict where, really, it was kind of out of character for Jack. He'd get a lot more out of Rhys by keeping him around for at least a little while until he gets his old body back that - let's be real - he probably considers 100 x times better looking anyway.

[Sycamorph]

It was his plan from the start to make Rhys upload him to Helios and then make a lot of robot-clones of himself. All these speeches were just to make Rhys trust Jack, and not because Jack liked him.

[Eeree]

Jack only ever kept 3 persons close to him : his daughter which he imprisonned, whilhelm who became a robot and Nyssa which was a psychopath and her girlfriend. Ryss is neither his girlfriend nor his daughter, Jack third choice seems to be with cybernatisation and removal of consciousness, seems consistant with the character.
He pretty much killed anyone else for no reason (yes, yes presequel blahblah, i'm talking after that), even his loyal employee, he is a total monster who probably thought it would be fun to take his host body, he seemed quite fond of doing cruel tricks like those. Pretty much the whole plot of Borderlands 2 is : Jack is pointlessly cruel even when obeyed and satisfied.

[Sumwan]

It was totally forced. When you side with Jack throughout the entire game, and you're pretty much his most loyal ally, WHY would it make sense for Jack to kill Rhys when he can have his own body back? Jack may be cruel, a sociopath, a murderer, whatever, but he's not stupid. It's just stupid to think that Rhys would be ok with dying for absolutely nothing. You can't even try to reason with Jack, Rhys can only say: "You're a psychopath, I knew it from the start." Uhmm, what? In my game I had Rhys agree with everything that Jack wanted, Rhys wanted to be just like Jack. Now he's spiteful and hateful towards him? Telltale just forces their own vision of Rhys on us, AND they completely disregard our choices in ep 2-4.

[Toffer]

Idunno. I didn't do a "trust-jack"-run, so I can't talk from experience, but I will agree that the dialogue choices at the beginning of Episode 5 were pretty weak compared to the other parts. As for Jacks Body-Hijack-Plan: I think it kinda suits him. Jack's kinda unpredictable and seems to have a knack for ridiculously elaborate and sadistic plans.

[Stevcorp]

Short answer - Jack manipulates people to get what he wants. Once he had what he needed, Rhys was nothing more than a victim to play with.

Long answer - That boy ain't right.

[Adrian Shepard]

I admit that so far I only played the first Borderlands and only know about Handsome Jack from what I read about Borderlands 2 and in that game he was a monster. So I was distrustfull of him the moment I saw him. But what really made me decide to never side with him EVER was in episode 2, when Vasquez was remininscing about him and Jack couldn't remeber him, and when he did, all he could do was make fun of him and goad you to do the same. I chose the Wallethead option and afterwards I felt like a douche, with Jack laughing about all the "good times". I knew then that he would betray you the moment it was conveninent for him and since this is a Telltale game, that would happen regardless of what you do, but I chose to not give the bastard an inch, no matter how good his help was. So yeah, to me his treatment made perfect sense.

[Sweet]

It was perfectly normal for Jack. Hell he only tried to stop killing you once he realised he was in your head. Every nice thing he said, every time he saved you, every time you trusted him, it was all to serve the purpose of getting him back to Helios and back in control.

Jack manipulated you, Rhys was nothing more then a tool, a stepping stone.

At best Jack's twisted logic was that Rhys wanted to be like Jack, shoving an endoskeleton into Rhys and controlling him (effectively transforming Rhys into Jack) was the nicest gift he could give him.

[db]

his old body had rot into ♥♥♥♥ by now, he said the original plan was to use his dead body when nakyama created his immortality suit in the first place which happened before jack died

[LolNOPE]

Originally posted by SweetWarmIce:

It was perfectly normal for Jack. Hell he only tried to stop killing you once he realised he was in your head. Every nice thing he said, every time he saved you, every time you trusted him, it was all to serve the purpose of getting him back to Helios and back in control.

Jack manipulated you, Rhys was nothing more then a tool, a stepping stone.

At best Jack's twisted logic was that Rhys wanted to be like Jack, shoving an endoskeleton into Rhys and controlling him (effectively transforming Rhys into Jack) was the nicest gift he could give him.

This. Jack didn't see Rhys as anything more than a useful idiot. People don't seem to understand what lying means.

[P4R45171K]

Originally posted by HipsterFilter:

Originally posted by SweetWarmIce:

It was perfectly normal for Jack. Hell he only tried to stop killing you once he realised he was in your head. Every nice thing he said, every time he saved you, every time you trusted him, it was all to serve the purpose of getting him back to Helios and back in control.

Jack manipulated you, Rhys was nothing more then a tool, a stepping stone.

At best Jack's twisted logic was that Rhys wanted to be like Jack, shoving an endoskeleton into Rhys and controlling him (effectively transforming Rhys into Jack) was the nicest gift he could give him.

This. Jack didn't see Rhys as anything more than a useful idiot. People don't seem to understand what lying means.

I was HOPING that it would work out more towards my favor but ofcourse if it didn't yeah I would push back. I did feel however the shift was sudden I even said it outloud about how fast Rhys said nope. However I did like that you can keep his eye to show you aren't 100% opposed to him. (Mind you this is how I viewed my Rhys and others may vary or agree.)

[Dire]

Spoiler: Jack's kinda a maniac. Whatever he does, he does for his personal gain, if he thinks you're a liability he will get rid of you, no matter what you did for him in the past. Also I doubt anyone likes being killed and staying in your body still puts him at your whim...Jack wants to be in control. Made perfect sense if you played the BL games.

[LolNOPE]

Originally posted by P4R45171K:

Originally posted by HipsterFilter:

This. Jack didn't see Rhys as anything more than a useful idiot. People don't seem to understand what lying means.

I was HOPING that it would work out more towards my favor but ofcourse if it didn't yeah I would push back. I did feel however the shift was sudden I even said it outloud about how fast Rhys said nope. However I did like that you can keep his eye to show you aren't 100% opposed to him. (Mind you this is how I viewed my Rhys and others may vary or agree.)

Yeah, I would have liked an option where Rhys was charmed by Jack. I mean, Jack could be very persuasive. At one point in the game I really thought he changed. So yes, if I could play a "charmed" Rhys, I'd have a go at it.

[Sgt. Killstreak]

it was sudden, yes, but anyone that's even heard of handsome jack can't say they didn't see it coming.

Although it would be interesting to see a charmed path, it isn't in his personality like twice. First, Jack wouldn't trust Rhys with a potato launcher that didn't have his systems in it; he's a control freak and that goes for 'risking'' Rhys keeping his body. Second, He's technically an AI now: I'm not an AI or borderlands buff at all, but dosn't that mean he literally can't change?

But hey, at least that prototype was useful to somebody.

[LolNOPE]

Hmm, good point about the AI.

[Zorn]

the funny thing is that most people who palyed borderlands already knew he would betray you