[kind of a spoiler]F***, I hate the endgame

[Döktor Jönes]

I played this back then, when it released on PC. My english skills weren't that good so I wasn't exactly immersed in that story.

I did remember that the story was pretty anime-ish, but I didn't realise it until now, after I played through the Anniversary Edition again how chock-full this game is with the "Power of Friendship"-thing
"We must believe in the hearth of the people and light and darkness and never give up and believe in our friendship and you can never defeat us, because we have strong hearts and your heart is dark and ♥♥♥♥ monotheism because if we believe in ourself we can do everythinggggrrgrgrgrgrgrrrrrpllpllpllplplplffffffffffffffl ROW ROW; FIGHT DA POWAAR"

THE LAST 3 HOURS OF THE GAME ARE FULL WITH THIS.

The pinnacle of this development is the sudden realisation of Elena that Millenia was never death, she was always in her heart... WHAT???

On a sidenote, it didn't help that the last boss is a total wuss

And this ending... this ending part with Roan...
Oh, the blind girl? SHE'S ALIVE. The fat ♥♥♥♥ we didn't care? HE'S ALSO ALIVE.
EVERYONE IS SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HAPPY, I COULD VOMIT.


soo... that's it... I just wanted to let steam off

[puppeto4]

That's why I laughed hard when people complained that Grandia 3 had bad story, and put 2 on the pedestal.

[terry309]

Originally posted by Spiked-Wall Man:

I played this back then, when it released on PC. My english skills weren't that good so I wasn't exactly immersed in that story.

I did remember that the story was pretty anime-ish, but I didn't realise it until now, after I played through the Anniversary Edition again how chock-full this game is with the "Power of Friendship"-thing
"We must believe in the hearth of the people and light and darkness and never give up and believe in our friendship and you can never defeat us, because we have strong hearts and your heart is dark and ♥♥♥♥ monotheism because if we believe in ourself we can do everythinggggrrgrgrgrgrgrrrrrpllpllpllplplplffffffffffffffl ROW ROW; FIGHT DA POWAAR"

THE LAST 3 HOURS OF THE GAME ARE FULL WITH THIS.

The pinnacle of this development is the sudden realisation of Elena that Millenia was never death, she was always in her heart... WHAT???

On a sidenote, it didn't help that the last boss is a total wuss

And this ending... this ending part with Roan...
Oh, the blind girl? SHE'S ALIVE. The fat ♥♥♥♥ we didn't care? HE'S ALSO ALIVE.
EVERYONE IS SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HAPPY, I COULD VOMIT.


soo... that's it... I just wanted to let steam off

Welcome to the world of JRPG's. I can pretty much guarentee that Grandia 2 is the least offender of this crime (if you think this game is bad, play Tales Of Graces, then you will cringe). I think the overall message the game carried was "stop relying on miracles". Though the ending was cheesy, it doesn't exactly make the game bad. I don't think you grasped the "millenia is in elena's heart thing", Elena WAS Millenia all along, the wings of Valmar just triggered the "other half" it was kinda like a multiple personality thing that hadn't awakened due to the fact that Elena was pretty much "god this god that" Elena's character arc was all about accepting herself pretty much. It's a bit like Tio was the claws of Valmar and Melfice was the horns, they are humans possessed by Valmar, Elena was one of those humans only her alternate form was Millenia. Ryudo was the only one possessed by a piece of Valmar who was able to resist it.

The whole thing was an elaborate trap to reawaken Valmar, to bring all these "possessed humans" together so that Zera could reawaken Valmar, hence the reason why he was directing everyone on where to go.

The whole part where Millenia did walk out of Elena's body was pretty weird though but considering the fact that JRPG's usually don't obey the laws of physics, i can overlook it.

At least Grandia 2's story wasn't edgy as ♥♥♥♥ or ridiculously dark and emo like most JRPG's (Final Fantasy VIII anyone? *sudders*). A lot of people argue that Ryudo is edgy but I disagree, especially since for the most part he's a pretty realistic character in terms of his personality, he's a pessimist and pessimists are pretty much going to look at the bad side of everything... but he's also cheerful and believe it or not is one of the few characters to actually give the group enough pep talk to move on... in his own crude fashion of course.

[terry309]

Originally posted by Bront Palebuto:

That's why I laughed hard when people complained that Grandia 3 had bad story, and put 2 on the pedestal.

And Grandia 3 is any better? At least Zera had a reasonable goal, to become a god and rule over everyone and control everything. Zorns goal was dumb as ♥♥♥♥ "eradicate all love"? WTF? How does one even do that? It makes no sense. Plus Yuki was generic as hell and had no personality, Ryudo at least had personality, something which a lot of JRPG protagonists lack and his personality doesn't change by the end, the only thing that changes with Ryudo is his conviction, he's still a really interesting character. Yuki was just a bland and generic JRPG hero. Only character half decent in that game was raven... but even he was pretty bland considering what his character was trying to be.

[Warrior of Right]

Elena should have kicked the bucket instead of Mareg and at the end you would have Millenia Mareg and Melfice revived for the last few boss fights (then died again with valmar) would have been so much better and the bosses could have been even stronger since you would have a full party.

[Warrior of Right]

Originally posted by terry309:

Originally posted by Bront Palebuto:

That's why I laughed hard when people complained that Grandia 3 had bad story, and put 2 on the pedestal.

And Grandia 3 is any better?

Grandia 3 and extreme had that stupid circular battle HUD too.
Was 3 a dungeon crawler like extreme?

GRANDIA 2 WAS A SAINT!

[terry309]

Originally posted by Bass to Mouth:

Elena should have kicked the bucket instead of Mareg and at the end you would have Millenia Mareg and Melfice revived for the last few boss fights (then died again with valmar) would have been so much better and the bosses could have been even stronger since you would have a full party.

I think Mareg kinda needed the heroic sacrifice to be honest, he was just that sort of character. Also keep in mind that if Elena died, so would Millenia.

[Warrior of Right]

Originally posted by terry309:

I think Mareg kinda needed the heroic sacrifice to be honest, he was just that sort of character. Also keep in mind that if Elena died, so would Millenia.

if Elena wasn't screwing around even if they didn't stop zera right away they could have realised right away Millenia was in her and if Elena still wanted to go off and die instead of risking everyones life like Maregs and since Millenia would still have Valmars pieces could have used that power to revive Melfice.
Would have an awesome party for the final fights when Tio and Roan get cut off from your party (he could use all Ryudos swords except the Granasaber).
Win Win

[terry309]

Originally posted by Bass to Mouth:

Originally posted by terry309:

I think Mareg kinda needed the heroic sacrifice to be honest, he was just that sort of character. Also keep in mind that if Elena died, so would Millenia.

if Elena wasn't screwing around even if they didn't stop zera right away they could have realised right away Millenia was in her and if Elena still wanted to go off and die instead of risking everyone life like Maregs and since Millenia would still have Valmars pieces could have used that power to revive Melfice.
Would have an awesome party for the final fights when Tio and Roan get cut off from your party (he could use all Ryudos swords except the Granasaber).
Win Win

Maregs death had an impact, Elena's death wouldn't have an impact.

[Warrior of Right]

Originally posted by terry309:

Maregs death had an impact, Elena's death wouldn't have an impact.

Well i can't argue with that.
(she still could have had an impact.... her body hitting the floor JOKES)
Elena kinda like the Rinoa of this JRPG but instead of having a cool dog she has apocolypse magic.....

[Riptos]

Originally posted by Bass to Mouth:

Originally posted by terry309:

I think Mareg kinda needed the heroic sacrifice to be honest, he was just that sort of character. Also keep in mind that if Elena died, so would Millenia.

if Elena wasn't screwing around even if they didn't stop zera right away they could have realised right away Millenia was in her and if Elena still wanted to go off and die instead of risking everyones life like Maregs and since Millenia would still have Valmars pieces could have used that power to revive Melfice.
Would have an awesome party for the final fights when Tio and Roan get cut off from your party (he could use all Ryudos swords except the Granasaber).
Win Win

Difference with Melfice was he was actually killed. Aira and Gadan were simply defeated and had their souls shattered by Millenia.

Elena fighting Millenia in the Core of Valmar is what clears the doubt in her mind with regards to Millenia. It was a psychological thing. She realised that Millenia was a part of her whereas before she believed her to be a truly separate entity. She was only regarded as "The Wings of Valmar" by Elena before her 'death' on Valmar's Moon.

[Jargous]

Here's the thing with Grandia 1 and 2. Both have a short enough story that any quirks with the story is quickly forgiven by the pacing and variety. Grandia Xtreme and 3, the story can get so bland at times that you are literally grinding your way out of a tunnel only when you find the light, you're going back into another boring chapter. Your saving grace is the battles and picking up items that make you feel like you've upgraded.

[pdraggy]

I love how the cus words are censored in that lol just kinda adds to the 'friendship and love' aura lol....

[Cao]

I just finished this game and what I found completely disappointing was the lack of closure. They spent the majority of the time focusing on the relationship between Ryudo and Elena and then ended it with NOTHING. What was the point then? Oh she's falling in love with him, Oh - he confesses how he feels to her, OH they KISS at some point and in the end------He takes off and leaves her alone...THE END. What?? I get that he's going to "come back" at some point but there is still no closure. I don't want to have to use my imagination, I get that in time he'll return and get with her, that's obvious but I don't want to imagine, I want to SEE it. C'mon...what's with these Grandia games and their lack of detail in their endings? Grandia 1 was alright, it had everything in the end but BARELY. After this mess, I'm not going to bother playing part 3 and Extreme, no more disappointment.

The reason I'm so mad is that I really really did enjoy part 2's story...I did. It's the end that ruined it all for me and because of the end, brought the entire game down. Final Fantasy VII did this...Breath of Fire 3 did this...STAHP with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ endings!

[terry309]

Originally posted by Cao:

I just finished this game and what I found completely disappointing was the lack of closure. They spent the majority of the time focusing on the relationship between Ryudo and Elena and then ended it with NOTHING. What was the point then? Oh she's falling in love with him, Oh - he confesses how he feels to her, OH they KISS at some point and in the end------He takes off and leaves her alone...THE END. What?? I get that he's going to "come back" at some point but there is still no closure. I don't want to have to use my imagination, I get that in time he'll return and get with her, that's obvious but I don't want to imagine, I want to SEE it. C'mon...what's with these Grandia games and their lack of detail in their endings? Grandia 1 was alright, it had everything in the end but BARELY. After this mess, I'm not going to bother playing part 3 and Extreme, no more disappointment.

The reason I'm so mad is that I really really did enjoy part 2's story...I did. It's the end that ruined it all for me and because of the end, brought the entire game down. Final Fantasy VII did this...Breath of Fire 3 did this...STAHP with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ endings!

Elena got Friendzoned... in a roundabout way, so did Millenia. The purpose was to build their character arcs. Ryudo learns how to live for others whereas Elena learns to live for herself. Elena wanted Ryudo all along, Ryudo knew this for a long time but was never interested. However when Elena and Millenia save him from Valmar he realizes that without them, he'd be pretty much consumed by Valmar so he figures he should live for Elena... and Millenia, it gives him conviction, a reason to fight, something he didn't really have at the start of the game. He was just doing it for money. By the end he says "I believe in neither darkness or light, I believe in people" This was his way of implying, "welcome to the friendzone ladies, I don't want any of you". The reason why he friendzones them is because of his character arc, he develops further and rather than just fighting for Elena and Millenia, he decides that the rest of the world is more important and strives to live for everyone rather than just 1 or 2 people. It's part of his character development.

If you want to see romance, go play Grandia 3, that game has the ending you desire, the entire plot is built around romance. Grandia 2's plot is built around relying on oneself and helping one another for a better world.

[terry309]

Originally posted by FPS Vape Nation V/\:

Originally posted by terry309:

Maregs death had an impact, Elena's death wouldn't have an impact.

Well i can't argue with that.
(she still could have had an impact.... her body hitting the floor JOKES)
Elena kinda like the Rinoa of this JRPG but instead of having a cool dog she has apocolypse magic.....

Err not sure, Rinoa is a lot more like Millenia than Elena in the sense that she's incredibly childish but Millenia isn't as obnoxious. Elena is a lot more grown up in terms of her mannerisms but her sheltered life has made her very inexperienced and naive.

The only thing they have in common is the dynamic they have with the male lead. Differrence is that the male lead in Grandia 2 is a lot more assertive and confident whereas Squall is just... an emo douche.