The Kraken - rewards, achievement and difficulty

[Flavius]

Does the Kraken given any reward for killing it (beyond title)? My level 3 (maybe 2 at the time) just solo'd it with his summons and it doesnt appear to have dropped anything or given a reward outside the title.

Also - the achievement says only 0.2% of people have killed it. Is it really rare? An old post I found made it sound really difficult, but summons from the Shaman seem to solo it easy even at low level. Has it been nerfed or is the low achievement rate because it is super rare.

Loving the game so far, thanks!

[di eshor ribly]

It used to be a rare spawn in any water with stats around 40/40-50/50. They now spawn in enchanted pools specifically and now have about 30/30 attack/defense. So they got nerfed a little. They still have their instant kill "devour" attack though, so be a little careful.

The reward they give is access to enchanted workshops and laboratories.

[Flavius]

Originally posted by di eshor ribly:

It used to be a rare spawn in any water with stats around 40/40-50/50. They now spawn in enchanted pools specifically and now have about 30/30 attack/defense. So they got nerfed a little. They still have their instant kill "devour" attack though, so be a little careful.

The reward they give is access to enchanted workshops and laboratories.

Interesting - the one i killed was spawned in a pool in my starting zone. It did kill my neat floating goblin i liked, so i learned that lesson.

I don't see anything special about the pool of water it was in... it just says "water" when hovered over. How do i get the enchanted workshop from it? I can't place the enchanted workshop near that water either ...

[Calanor]

The Kraken respawned in the Enchanted Pool I'd taken over, so be careful. Hopefully it's a bug.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Kraken my cyclops encountered at _ground_ level in the starting zone did not inhabit an Enchanted Pool.

[Arne]

I think the conditions for the Kraken in the starting area are different: They spawn on normal water (they might respawn there, too (not sure). So it is normal, that you don't have an enchanted pool there

[Flavius]

Originally posted by Calanor:

The Kraken respawned in the Enchanted Pool I'd taken over, so be careful. Hopefully it's a bug.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Kraken my cyclops encountered at _ground_ level in the starting zone did not inhabit an Enchanted Pool.

I can confirm both of these. Kraken respawned in an enchanted pool I took over (killing my Keeper and ending the run...) and also killed a Kraken on ground level in a regular (non enchanted) pool. This one didnt appear to respawn that I saw.

[Zephyr]

I opened an help post about the Kraken, from what someone told me, every turn there is a 0,2% chance of the Kraken respawning in the enchanted pool, so if you have an enchanted pool, make sure you take adequate precautions, that thing is never safe. The chance may not sound like a lot, but 10000 turns pass in the blink of an eye. That's a LOT of rolls.

[Flavius]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I opened an help post about the Kraken, from what someone told me, every turn there is a 0,2% chance of the Kraken respawning in the enchanted pool, so if you have an enchanted pool, make sure you take adequate precautions, that thing is never safe. The chance may not sound like a lot, but 10000 turns pass in the blink of an eye. That's a LOT of rolls.

Thanks for that info! I still think there is likely a bug because 0.2% is WAY too high if it is calculated at every tick. Assuming 2 ticks a second at "Very Fast" speed, you'd have a 27.4% chance of the Kraken respawning in two minutes, which seems too high. That basically means there is a ~85% chance of the Kraken re-spawning every 20 minutes.

[Arne]

Originally posted by Flavius:

Thanks for that info! I still think there is likely a bug because 0.2% is WAY too high if it is calculated at every tick.

Yes, it seems the 0.2% is wrong. The code is here:

"ENCHANTED_WATER" inherit "WATER"
{
name = "enchanted pool"
viewId = { "enchanted_water" }
bloodCountdown = none
walkIntoFX = { WATER_SPLASH Rgb 255 82 148 255 }
tickType = Effect Chance 0.00002 Filter Area 10 Not CreatureId "KRAKEN" SummonEnemy "KRAKEN" 1 none
}

The chance given here is 0.00002, which would be 0.002% (and not 0.2%)

[Kazrim]

The Kraken isn't super super rare it can be a little uncommon on ground level but you'll usually see one in an enchanted pool in the lower levels generally around 3 or 4 it can vary.
However sometimes it'll just be random ghosts attacking instead of a Kraken.

Killing a Kraken isn't actually all that difficult but somethings can affect that. But several archers or some mages can easily wreck it. However something like... Hermit(Cyclops) would find it much harder to deal with due to it's instant death capabilities so you'll need more prep to deal with one in that case.

I don't think it gives anything over than a title I can't recall one dropping anything. Also I think the Kraken can respawn enchanted pools but you can always set some archers to guard that area and maybe a mage with them for good measure just in case.

Anyway as far as the achievement rate goes well... I think most people just avoid getting it because it can be annoying to deal with and sometimes it's easier to just flat out ignore it.

[Calanor]

Kazrim: I also suspect that many who bought the game in Early Access haven't returned yet. Just the last few days, the rate's been picking up, though.

[kasnavada]

I have found a total of 1 enchanted pool without krakens in it during a dozen games...

They re-spawn all the time in practice.

They could be kinda nice as a source of (small) experience except they've got a chance to insta kill... with equipment loss of course. Soooo meeeh. The enchanted workshop and potion thingy is kinda nice but gimmicky and useful maybe twice or thrice a game.

The best way to deal with them is a enclosed room door with a lock on the door. Charge in with archers to kill it fast, build stuff, and leave the room closed again once crafting is finished... I tried guarding the place but that results in your people getting killed.

They also spawn rarely in regular waters, respawn too often to be worth anything on those places.

[Arne]

Just box the pool in with enchanted laboratories/workbenches. The Kraken attacks only with tentacles and those can't leave the pool if it is surrounded by stuff

[Flavius]

Originally posted by Arne:

Originally posted by Flavius:

Thanks for that info! I still think there is likely a bug because 0.2% is WAY too high if it is calculated at every tick.

Yes, it seems the 0.2% is wrong. The code is here:

"ENCHANTED_WATER" inherit "WATER"
{
name = "enchanted pool"
viewId = { "enchanted_water" }
bloodCountdown = none
walkIntoFX = { WATER_SPLASH Rgb 255 82 148 255 }
tickType = Effect Chance 0.00002 Filter Area 10 Not CreatureId "KRAKEN" SummonEnemy "KRAKEN" 1 none
}

The chance given here is 0.00002, which would be 0.002% (and not 0.2%)

This makes MUCH more sense and means my experience (of it respawning in ~2m and killing my Keeper) was insanely bad luck, haha.

[LANid]

Originally posted by Arne:

Just box the pool in with enchanted laboratories/workbenches. The Kraken attacks only with tentacles and those can't leave the pool if it is surrounded by stuff

you can only place the enchanted laboratory/cauldron/potion station right next to the enchanted pool, so you can't isolate the kraken or its tentacles from the work

[Phenian]

Originally posted by Flavius:

Also - the achievement says only 0.2% of people have killed it. Is it really rare? An old post I found made it sound really difficult, but summons from the Shaman seem to solo it easy even at low level. Has it been nerfed or is the low achievement rate because it is super rare.

Loving the game so far, thanks!

Think I bought this game six years ago. Achievements are pretty new. All the people that stopped playing it from before the update count towards that percentage.