Important Info About Games Made In Renpy!

[GrimLordGames]

So most of you are probably here about the controversy regarding this game and might not know much about how it was made. Well, I'm pretty much a expert in this field now and even wrote a piece on Adult Visual Novels for Fuwanovel a few years back. So this thread is all about Renpy, DAZ3D and other mechanics related to these games.

So No Mercy, like many other AVN (Adult Visual Novels) was made in renpy. Renpy is an open source visual novel engine that has been around for many years. It has a strong framework, so it is perfect for projects both Independent and commercial. Jast USA have used renpy in their remasters of classic Japanese games like The Sagura Family, for example. So it is a very durable engine.

As for the renders, they are mostly not made in Unreal as people have been erroneously stating. These renders are made with a program called DAZ3D which has been around for many years and is based in Utah of all places. DAZ3D like renpy has their own store where people can buy assets like with Unreal of course, which is why we may see a lot of the same models used in various games. However, a certain model can become so popular in one game that people recognize it like a famous actress. That's the way we've been referring to AVN models over the years, especially when it is common for AVN to promote other AVN games within the game world. For example, Chasing Sunsets has a section where the cast are using VR devices in order to promote another very popular game, Eternum.

Speaking of Eternum, there is one other program that renpy novels are being made in, which is the Honey Select engine. Illusion/Illgames has put their foot down on this so these games cannot be sold on Steam, itch or anywhere else. However there is a donation loophole which allows these devs to profit from their games anyway. It resulted in wildly popular games like Eternum of course and Ripples among others. People are using Japanese models to tell more western stories with just a hint of a Japanese touch - and it's working wonders. Best of all, these particular novels are free. Free to download and free to enjoy. You'll never see them on Steam, but they are great reads.

Now for the controversy. The fact that one can put one of these together so quickly means there is a capability for misuse and scamming people. Milfy City was one such game responsible for this, the devs left the game in a poor state and ran to create another one. Fortunately, this doesn't happen often. Just pay attention to reviews and if need be, join the discords, Patreons and other areas to talk with the dev if you're unsure. Some devs are very committed to these games and making sure their fans always get little gift renders as that's part of the fun for them. Not every dev can do that, but most try to keep their fans informed. AVN discords are usually very welcome places to talk about these fetishes with other fans. You'll also find character super fans, like with most media.

F95 isn't something I will outright recommend, but there are some devs who are perfectly fine with you getting the game there to try it out or just to play it. Some only do this as a fun hobby and the Patreon is just extra money for them. They do well in their main job. But then you have devs like Dr. Pink Cake who is very committed. He has seven computers rendering scenes at the same time.

In addition to DAZ3D, some devs use Blender and Octane for animations. Remember, this is how some hone their craft, so it might start out a bit janky. Even so, with AI options now a part of DAZ3D, some devs are still very hesitant to use them. They consider the art of posing and rendering models to be just that - and many have told me it definitely takes a degree of skill. Plugging that into an AI seems a bit wrong to most of them. That being said, some don't care. Every dev is different.

Character relations are usually everyone who has legs and yes that means LGBT in some games. So yes, mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, daughter, son, you get it - nothing different than anything I've seen in porn from the sixties. And you aren't pressured to go on any of these paths. The most common is mother/sister though. The Japanese games reflect that and the western games simply followed. In all the numerous fans of adult games I've talked to over the years, none have expressed a desire to get it on with a family member. And I would personally be horrified at the thought. This is fiction, after all. It may very go back to the popular adult film Taboo made back in the seventies.

If anyone wants to make any suggestions for adult games here or wants to ask me anything about what I have stated, feel free to do so. I will be more than happy to clarify.

[GrimLordGames]

OpenAI Summary TLDR:

The author, an experienced figure in the adult visual novel (AVN) space, explains the tools and processes behind AVN development. Most AVNs, including No Mercy, are created using Ren’Py, an open-source visual novel engine, and DAZ3D for 3D character renders. Contrary to some claims, these renders aren't made with Unreal Engine.

AVNs often reuse popular character models from asset stores, which creates a sense of familiarity across games. Games like Eternum and Ripples use Honey Select, though due to licensing restrictions, such games can't be sold on platforms like Steam—many are distributed for free via donations.

The post also touches on community and controversy: While some developers are highly dedicated (e.g., Dr. Pink Cake), others have scammed players, like the devs of Milfy City. AVN communities (Discords, Patreons) are usually welcoming and passionate.

Tools like Blender and Octane are also used for animations, but opinions are mixed on incorporating AI in artwork. Lastly, the content of AVNs often involves taboo relationships, a trope rooted in older media, but the author stresses it's all fictional and not reflective of real-world desires.

They invite questions or suggestions on AVNs and are open to clarifying further.

[JonathonMarks]

there are tons of such games on Steam, I don't get the venomous response this particular game has received. I totally get why someone would feel it's just too much and they turn their attention to other games... I don't get the tidal wave of ranting and raving like lunatics that is happening. I suspect it is similar in nature to people who start hyper ventilating when they see a naked mannequin in a store.

my own personal opinion on the matter is this: all the people who are screaming that people playing these games are dangerous perverts and want to do horrible things to people, because they are playing a computer game... THOSE are the people who likely have some real psychological issues and should probably be watched very closely. there is something off there in that behavior and warrants a bit of scrutiny.

[GrimLordGames]

Originally posted by JonathonMarks:

there are tons of such games on Steam, I don't get the venomous response this particular game has received. I totally get why someone would feel it's just too much and they turn their attention to other games... I don't get the tidal wave of ranting and raving like lunatics that is happening. I suspect it is similar in nature to people who start hyper ventilating when they see a naked mannequin in a store.

my own personal opinion on the matter is this: all the people who are screaming that people playing these games are dangerous perverts and want to do horrible things to people, because they are playing a computer game... THOSE are the people who likely have some real psychological issues and should probably be watched very closely. there is something off there in that behavior and warrants a bit of scrutiny.

Absolutely. There are rape scenes in the original first two Death Wish films. The bad guys actually break into the main character's home and rape his daughter, then they rape his maid and then they rape his daughter again after she had already been traumatized the first time and had become mute. Remember, this is a classic action movie. There's a lot of movies and television shows where this kind of behavior is featured and they've been around probably for longer than several of the people here complaining have. No Mercy is simply one game of many. If it's not content for you, please don't play it. Raising a fuss doesn't help anything and I think they realized that now. The post that mentioned where to buy the game has gotten the largest number of awards on this forum. That shows that this campaign did nothing more than get more eyes on the game, which resulted in more sales than it probably would have ever gotten before.

[M4T R1X]

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:

Originally posted by JonathonMarks:

there are tons of such games on Steam, I don't get the venomous response this particular game has received. I totally get why someone would feel it's just too much and they turn their attention to other games... I don't get the tidal wave of ranting and raving like lunatics that is happening. I suspect it is similar in nature to people who start hyper ventilating when they see a naked mannequin in a store.

my own personal opinion on the matter is this: all the people who are screaming that people playing these games are dangerous perverts and want to do horrible things to people, because they are playing a computer game... THOSE are the people who likely have some real psychological issues and should probably be watched very closely. there is something off there in that behavior and warrants a bit of scrutiny.

Absolutely. There are rape scenes in the original first two Death Wish films. The bad guys actually break into the main character's home and rape his daughter, then they rape his maid and then they rape his daughter again after she had already been traumatized the first time and had become mute. Remember, this is a classic action movie. There's a lot of movies and television shows where this kind of behavior is featured and they've been around probably for longer than several of the people here complaining have. No Mercy is simply one game of many. If it's not content for you, please don't play it. Raising a fuss doesn't help anything and I think they realized that now. The post that mentioned where to buy the game has gotten the largest number of awards on this forum. That shows that this campaign did nothing more than get more eyes on the game, which resulted in more sales than it probably would have ever gotten before.

Exactly dude. I find it extremely hypocritical and biased. Why aren't other similar things, or even worse forms of such content being treated the same? A lot of ♥♥♥♥ of Booktok depicts some extremely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥, why aren't those things being given the same attention or getting banned? I think the fact that it's a video game is triggering people, for some stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. Because there's too many things on the internet that are objectively worse, yet are more easily accessible for non-adults.

I just feel really bad for the devs. They're being treated as some sort of monsters, when they're simply capitalizing on fetishes which can also be found on a variety of porn sites. They seem pretty genuine too. And from the reviews I've seen, the game is actually decent, especially for a game of this type, wherein there's a plethora of these terrible 3D VNs. It's quite saddening

[GrimLordGames]

Originally posted by M4T R1X:

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:

Absolutely. There are rape scenes in the original first two Death Wish films. The bad guys actually break into the main character's home and rape his daughter, then they rape his maid and then they rape his daughter again after she had already been traumatized the first time and had become mute. Remember, this is a classic action movie. There's a lot of movies and television shows where this kind of behavior is featured and they've been around probably for longer than several of the people here complaining have. No Mercy is simply one game of many. If it's not content for you, please don't play it. Raising a fuss doesn't help anything and I think they realized that now. The post that mentioned where to buy the game has gotten the largest number of awards on this forum. That shows that this campaign did nothing more than get more eyes on the game, which resulted in more sales than it probably would have ever gotten before.

Exactly dude. I find it extremely hypocritical and biased. Why aren't other similar things, or even worse forms of such content being treated the same? A lot of ♥♥♥♥ of Booktok depicts some extremely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥, why aren't those things being given the same attention or getting banned? I think the fact that it's a video game is triggering people, for some stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. Because there's too many things on the internet that are objectively worse, yet are more easily accessible for non-adults.

I just feel really bad for the devs. They're being treated as some sort of monsters, when they're simply capitalizing on fetishes which can also be found on a variety of porn sites. They seem pretty genuine too. And from the reviews I've seen, the game is actually decent, especially for a game of this type, wherein there's a plethora of these terrible 3D VNs. It's quite saddening

Yep. And there's now a rumor going around (which I'm waiting for more sources on) that the developer in fact might be a woman.

[M4T R1X]

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:

Originally posted by M4T R1X:

Exactly dude. I find it extremely hypocritical and biased. Why aren't other similar things, or even worse forms of such content being treated the same? A lot of ♥♥♥♥ of Booktok depicts some extremely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥, why aren't those things being given the same attention or getting banned? I think the fact that it's a video game is triggering people, for some stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. Because there's too many things on the internet that are objectively worse, yet are more easily accessible for non-adults.

I just feel really bad for the devs. They're being treated as some sort of monsters, when they're simply capitalizing on fetishes which can also be found on a variety of porn sites. They seem pretty genuine too. And from the reviews I've seen, the game is actually decent, especially for a game of this type, wherein there's a plethora of these terrible 3D VNs. It's quite saddening

Yep. And there's now a rumor going around (which I'm waiting for more sources on) that the developer in fact might be a woman.

I wonder what kind of reaction that would get