Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition

Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition

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Katzeo Jun 26, 2015 @ 6:02pm
I want to know the opinions of the veterans/very skilled people of this game about some aspects of it
So i am just curious about who is/are the most powerful characters of this new version of DMC4
those that are more likely of getting the highest scores on bloody palace, best times and scores on missions, etc (no matter the skillcap)
And if you can give my your opinion on the new characters
That would be gratefully appreciated
Last edited by Katzeo; Jun 26, 2015 @ 6:13pm
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Spooky Dookie♪ Jun 26, 2015 @ 7:00pm 
Lady is long range, Trish is melee and Vergil relies on maintaining high concentration levels by teleporting and destroying enemies.

It depends on your playstyle.

Fully charged Lady shotgun blasts will destroy almost anything and a fully charged bazooka will nuke several enemies. Lady's DT is a tool of ultimate destruction at full charge and carries a lot of invincible frames. Also great at bosses.

Trish is good at crowd control, pulling multiple enemies together and then using charged melee shots to pound them all. Worst out of the 3 of them with bosses but still not too bad.

Vergil is Vergil and the reason most of the people got this remake. He's extremely good. He's also the most versatile of all the new characters. He's got 3 melee choices and various summonded sword techniques. Also great with bosses, teleport is better than dodge.
Hells Malice Jun 26, 2015 @ 7:45pm 
As someone who beat every difficulty aside from Hell or Hell (I kinda moved on from the game, didn't give up or anything, got to Dante's chapters) i'd say i'm fairly skilled at least.

I think my favorite is still Nero, but i'm really biased. His demon arm has incredible utility, it just does so much to aid him. It answers damn near everything.

I genuinely dislike Dante. I found him to be pretty useless compared to Nero. The utility from his different styles is quite limited and most of them are fairly useless, especially compared to Nero's beastly demon arm.

Vergil is quite interesting because he has the mobility of Nero with his teleport, though I think I still prefer the control of the demon arm. But his 3 weapon choices make him incredibly versatile, and once you get good with switching I can see him having some truly beastly combo ability. Though funny enough, concentration kind of discourages that, but doesn't make it useless. Oh and his ranged weapon is incredible, especially given you can spam it while attacking normally if you so desire, and with upgrades it has a ton more utility than Dante/Nero's guns.

Lady is unbelievably strong but I haven't played too much to get a good handle on how i'd judge her. For the early levels she's pretty fantastic because she nukes the trash monsters pretty easy. I agree with the dude above that she's fantastic for bosses though.

Not really much to say about Trish, I didn't like playing as her much.

Overall Lady and Trish are neat and pretty different but i'll stick to Nero and Vergil, but it's entirely up to your play style because I think they're all perfectly viable if you play them right...even Dante, which I still rank below all of them.

If you're looking for a cookie cutter character that'll be easy to play and dominate everything, you wont really find one. Again it's really down to your playstyle. I didn't feel any of the characters were extraordinarily better than any others, though again I think Nero just has beastly utility with his demon arm and he's incredibly strong if you can full rev every single time you attack.
Insane Scientist Jun 26, 2015 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by Hells Malice:
I genuinely dislike Dante. I found him to be pretty useless compared to Nero.
Anyone who thinks that Nero is a better character than Dante clearly is not using Dante to full potential or learned to use them well. I'm not being subjective. Dante has an incredibly deep combat system that although is very difficult to learn, when fully utilized makes him way more powerful than every single other character. Just search 'devil may cry 4 combo mad' in youtube and you'll see what I mean or watch a player like donguri 990.

I consider myself somewhat skilled but nowhere near being a veteran. I've played DMC 3 for a long time and beat higher difficulties and bloody palace but I'm new to DMC 4. I really like Nero and although I consider to mainly be a character for the purpose of introducing new players to the series I think he's very underrated and you can do some interesting things with him.

I really like Vergil and he is very familiar to me from DMC 3. You can also see a little inspiration from DmC Reboot's Vergil. In DMC 3 Vergil could annihilate anything just spamming lunar phase and summoned swords which was what I often resort to but the Vergil this time around feels more technical and I actually like to make use his full moveset. People have pointed out that his darkslayer trick style has been toned down but I think his new mechanics work really well in making a well balanced powerful character. I'm really looking forward to seeing what really skilled players can do with Vergil.

Dante is simply amazing in this game. I think that even with mastery of his combat in DMC 3 Vergil was a little more powerful but when I first installed the style switcher mod all that changed and I was completely overwhelmed by combat options given. In DMC 4 Dante has a dozen different solutions for every situation and his combat system has a depth that feels like it wasn't meant for humans. I finished the campaign for DMC 4 yesterday and I feel like I'm using only 10% of Dante's potential and that I still have so much to learn with him.

Lady is an extremely powerful character. I was shocked by how much damage I did to Bael with a lvl 3 charged shot of Kalina Ann. I think she can very technical but in a very different way to other characters. I love some of her mechanics like the things you can do with her grappling wire and her grenade retreats. She's fast becoming one of favourite characters.
Haven't gotten to use Trish yet unfortunately.
Last edited by Insane Scientist; Jun 27, 2015 @ 5:15am
Dankey Kang Jun 26, 2015 @ 11:40pm 
nero is still king of the bloody palace since the monsters were designed around his kit
vergil's beowulf is stupidly strong on max concentration, reks bosses, very good kit for combos
lady needs a different approach than all the other characters, because of the lack of melee and gap closers
don't know about trish
dante is still the pinnacle of combat depth
Last edited by Dankey Kang; Jun 26, 2015 @ 11:42pm
void Jun 27, 2015 @ 12:18am 
With over 2000 hours in Vanilla and already 26 in DMC4SE I have to say I really, really love this game. Vergil is broken but there's a technical side to him, knowing when to place your summoned sword in an enemy to teleport to him is vital, especially in Bloody Palace where a single significant hit can screw up your run. There's SO many i-frames when teleporting that you can just mash B while Sanctus does his AOE laser attack and not take a hit at all.

Lady is slow but very, very powerful and is becoming my absolute favorite character to play as because so long as you're adept with dodging, she's INCREDIBLY useful (outside of the grim grips in mission 4, lol I almost raged). The pistols are definitely my fav of her weapons, along with her 'devil trigger' sort of state, where when fully charged can put a Blitz in the red instantly.

Trish is great, nice and heavy hits along with a Devil Bringer grab-like attack using Sparda gives her a lot of versatility, and Luce & Ombra (her pistols) are so pumped up just a few standard shots can drop a mephisto - that said, her moveset is limited, and the Pandora controls are AWKWARD as Hell. I ran out of time with her in BP and I loathe it. Not so many i-frames compared to the previous two, but she's definitely got the power to make up for it.

But in short, if this was DMC4: Lady Edition or just Vergil himself, I'd be content either way. Dante will always be the best, and most powerful to the adept players like myself, but I'll be damned if I haven't sunken a loooong time into Vergil already.
Doctor Cool Jun 27, 2015 @ 10:54pm 
In my opinion, Vergil is the most powerful character. I am a mid level player, and have beaten the game as all characters in Devil Hunter mode. I have also tried Vergil in Bloody Palace.

Vergil's best ability is his super powerful teleport. You can quickly teleport to enemies across huge distances and you can spam teleport for infinite air time. Also, using teleport will immediately cancel you out of whatever attack you happen to be using. One effective combo is spamming Luner Phase and Teleport, sequentially, over and over. It does a lot of damage very fast.

Another very good ability is JUDGEMENT CUT END. With maximum DT points, you can use it as many as three times in a row. It will clear an entire room of enemies, in any room in the game (except bosses).

Other nice things include how the basic Summoned Swords can be used in the middle of any attack without having any casting or recovery time, and how there is a variety of (useful) Summoned Sword moves. One thing that is not important, but nice to have, is the Summoned Sword Shield (Spiral Swords), because it is the most effective way of destroying miscellanious debris objects in order to get the Red Orbs inside. Just cast it once, then run around, letting the swords take care of the debris. This is for getting S ranks in Red Orb collection, without wasting lots of time.

Vergil's weakness is that his normal Summoned Sword attacks have less range than the handgun, which is a disadvantage against some bosses, mainly the "Savior" on mission 18.

I could probably mention a few more things, but these are the main bits and I think they will suffice.
FamishedPants Jun 28, 2015 @ 2:03am 
Originally posted by Hells Malice:
I genuinely dislike Dante. I found him to be pretty useless compared to Nero. The utility from his different styles is quite limited and most of them are fairly useless, especially compared to Nero's beastly demon arm.

Dante has the highest skillcap and payout of all the characters introduced, I am unsure how you came to that conclusion. There are some videos that show just the kinds of things Dante can do. Like Raise Thy Sword.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7410iERPhQ

His high skillcap doesn't mean he isn't useful. That being said, I can't play him that well at all :C
Ortega De La Vega Jun 28, 2015 @ 2:28am 
Dante. Because he is the one, who in DT no stop action while taking damage. Also he has some powerfull weapons like Pandora. Some styles do him very fast,strong,and,maybe,invincble with royal guard.
KyuKyu Jun 28, 2015 @ 4:31am 
Well, I got 1000GS on xbox, so I think that I can say a bit. In my opinion, Nero has the best crowd control (didn't try Trish yet), Lady's got A LOT of hit stun and Dante and Vergil have the most single target damage. I don't think that DMC ever had the "best" character, it depends on your playstyle, on how do you approach your enemies. Nero can be more relentless, while Dante alwas need to control the battlefield. I'll give more info whe I try all characters in DMD.
boras Jun 28, 2015 @ 5:07am 
I'm not on the level of people who do combo videos for DMC4 but I did beat the original game (working my way through DMD in the Special Edition right now) on every difficulty including Hell and Hell so I consider myself a decent player. I think each character offers something else so I'm going to give my opinion on all of them.

Nero: Even though he's pretty simple to play, his skill ceilling is incredibly high. His combos are pretty easy to chain together especially with the ability to Snatch enemies with the Devil Bringer but the hardest thing about Nero is Max-acting. If you manage to master it, you're going to deal insane damage and get a ton of style points.

Dante: Incredibly complicated and requires a lot of dexterity to chain combos together. Still, with Distortion and moves like Real Impact he also manages to deal insane damage. If you haven't played him for a long time he's probably a pretty weak character though. But if you sink a lot of time into mastering the five styles and all of his weapons, he's going to be the strongest character together with Vergil.

Lady: Hilariously overpowered. Charged shotgun shots rip everything to shreds. Burst Attack deals such insane damage that it can almost one shot bosses. Her only weakness is melee but she has so many moves to get away from enemies, it's not really a problem. It's pretty easy to get high style ranks with her.

Trish: She's really good at controlling enemies. Sparda allows her to easily hit stun enemies and rip through them using Bare Knuckles. Her only two weaknesses are bossfights and enemies like Mephisto or Blitz. Her ranged weapons are pretty bad at removing Mephisto's cloak and she just doesn't seem to deal that much single target damage so bossfights take a pretty long time.

Vergil: Even though he's a pretty easy character to start with, I believe he has enough depth to match Dante. Just like Dante, he has Just Charges on his moves and he can distort them. He deals incredible damabe by combining his advanced Summoned Sword techniques and moves from his Devil Arms. His playstyle is based on keeping his concentration gauge high which enchances moves from his Devil Arms. For example, the higher your Concentration is, the longer is going to be the reach of moves from Yamato. He can also quickly restore his Devil Trigger gauge by finishing the sheathing animation which will grant him one Devil Trigger rune. The strongest thing about the character is definitely the Grim Trick. It allows you to cancel out of pretty much any move very easily. It's also very useful against enemies who back away from you or enemies who get thrown away from Vergil after finishing a combo. He's very strong against single or multiple enemies. If you use his moves intelligently, he can control groups of enemies even better than Trish and if you combine the ability to quickly regain your Devil Trigger, use your advanced Summoned Sword techniques and cancel out of moves using Grim Trick, he can deal even more damage than Lady. A lot of people might say he doesn't have as much depth as Dante because of stuff like Guard Flying or Star Raves but you have to realize, these techniques weren't discovered for Dante until some time has passed. Same thing might happen with Vergil.

Overall, I think either Vergil or Lady are the strongest character right now. Both of them have a lot of depth.
iLuvKoRn Aug 10, 2018 @ 2:05am 
Lady's as broken as Dante's high skillcap, and she's absolutely insane.

Originally posted by Metrajetta:
pinnacle of combat
So that's where they got the name of the game...
https://youtu.be/n23h7wShW_g
JH1000 Aug 22, 2018 @ 3:30am 
He asked for the opinion of veterans or very skilled people. That doesn't mean "I have all achievements" or "I have beat all the difficulties". Literally everyone can do that. Even getting SS on every DMD mission is pretty easy in this game. You don't even need to know or perform any form of advanced combo to do it. He asked for the opinion of people who have top scores in Bloody Palace and/or do combo videos.

His question also wasn't "who do you like the most", etc. It was an objective question.

The answer is Dante. Dante is the most effective character in the game. Literally just look at the top players and the scores they get. Other characters are easier to do better with for the average player, but that wasn't the question.
ChurchGorilla Aug 22, 2018 @ 5:08am 
Vergil is very much capable of getting faster BP/Mission times than Dante thanks to Beowulf just distortion being miles better than Gilgamesh just distortion and Judgement Cut End. Though he's less likely to get high scores because he kills everything too damn fast.
Last edited by ChurchGorilla; Aug 22, 2018 @ 5:09am
JH1000 Aug 24, 2018 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by GMGMaker:
Vergil is very much capable of getting faster BP/Mission times than Dante thanks to Beowulf just distortion being miles better than Gilgamesh just distortion and Judgement Cut End. Though he's less likely to get high scores because he kills everything too damn fast.
Yep. Many other characters can kill faster than Dante but Dante is the best at what the OP asked for.
LazyAmerican Aug 30, 2018 @ 7:47am 
So why the hell does Lady have a Devil Trigger again? lol guessing cause it's video games and balance and some such drivel.
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