Vergil DMC4 SE *spoilers*

[The Holy Spirit]

Anyone saw the spectre's shadow in Vergil's ending or is it something else?

[The Kal]

SenMithrarin85님이 먼저 게시:

The outfit Lady wears in DMC3 is reminiscent of a Japanese School Girl uniform, so she must have been around 16 at the time. She is no way 36 years old in 4, so its doubtful that Vergil and Nero are related.

In a story like DMC we probably shouldn't assume that the characters are going to age realistically. Although Dante's age up is fairly realistic, it's not exactly inconceivable that Lady looks perfect anime babe age just for fanservice sake.

Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

I do admit, that, after writing this all out, that timeline KIND of works. However, I still disagree that Vergil is Nero's father simply on the grounds that Vergil wouldn't have had the foresight to either "plant the seed" OR find it in himself to lust after a, to his eyes, weak human.

But consider how much Vergil idolizes Sparda's power. It's possible he bore a child with a human woman just to be like daddy.

[The Holy Spirit]

The Kal님이 먼저 게시:

SenMithrarin85님이 먼저 게시:

The outfit Lady wears in DMC3 is reminiscent of a Japanese School Girl uniform, so she must have been around 16 at the time. She is no way 36 years old in 4, so its doubtful that Vergil and Nero are related.

In a story like DMC we probably shouldn't assume that the characters are going to age realistically. Although Dante's age up is fairly realistic, it's not exactly inconceivable that Lady looks perfect anime babe age just for fanservice sake.

Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

I do admit, that, after writing this all out, that timeline KIND of works. However, I still disagree that Vergil is Nero's father simply on the grounds that Vergil wouldn't have had the foresight to either "plant the seed" OR find it in himself to lust after a, to his eyes, weak human.

But consider how much Vergil idolizes Sparda's power. It's possible he bore a child with a human woman just to be like daddy.

Maybe when Nelo Angelo's soul was shattered by Dante, a huge part of that somehow went inside Nero while still inside his mother who is somehow related to Sparda or a mortal priestess. Very similar to Kingdom Heart's Sora, Ventus and Roxas. The Devil Bringer is a part of Vergil's soul which manifested when Nero's blood came in contact with something of demonic origin.

Yamato came to Nero's aid because: 1. Devil Bringer called Yamato. 2. Nero mirrored Vergil's goal of wanting more power to protect a loved one.

My theory and it has its flaws.

[Axton10_61]

But consider how much Vergil idolizes Sparda's power. It's possible he bore a child with a human woman just to be like daddy.

Idolizes Sparda's Power, not his compassion. Vergil constantly wanted to shrug off his human side and become a demon. It was all he was motivated by. I don't see how Vergil would have spent any time with a human to make an even more human child. The resulting offspring would have been 3/4 human and just barely a demon.

He wanted his demon blood thicker, not thinner, ya know?

[The Holy Spirit]

Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

But consider how much Vergil idolizes Sparda's power. It's possible he bore a child with a human woman just to be like daddy.

Idolizes Sparda's Power, not his compassion. Vergil constantly wanted to shrug off his human side and become a demon. It was all he was motivated by. I don't see how Vergil would have spent any time with a human to make an even more human child. The resulting offspring would have been 3/4 human and just barely a demon.

He wanted his demon blood thicker, not thinner, ya know?

He could have made Nero as a way to continue the Sparda bloodline or at least be his legacy.

[Axton10_61]

Jokur님이 먼저 게시:

Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

Idolizes Sparda's Power, not his compassion. Vergil constantly wanted to shrug off his human side and become a demon. It was all he was motivated by. I don't see how Vergil would have spent any time with a human to make an even more human child. The resulting offspring would have been 3/4 human and just barely a demon.

He wanted his demon blood thicker, not thinner, ya know?

He could have made Nero as a way to continue the Sparda bloodline or at least be his legacy.

If he had that kind of an interest in Sparda's Legacy, one might think he would have stuck around for the boy.

If he truly sired offspring with an interest in maintaining Sparda's bloodline, then why do that, and then resurrect Temin-ni-Gru and have a duel of the fates with his brother? In the story, he tries to kill Dante 3 times, he also tries to open the demon gate for an accumulation of more power by going back to the source. If he had decided sometime before that to have a baby, that baby wouldn't even survive the demon apocalypse he would be born into. That baby would have been, at best, 3 years old and unable to fend for itself.

One can easily state that Vergil isn't much of a forward thinker, or maybe it was an attempt at being human that failed, but we're given no real information to show us that Vergil has the capacity for love or even survival. He would take on all comers in a show of power, even Mundus. The only time he isn't a villain is Mission 19 DMC3, when he joins forces with Dante to take out Arkham. But even then he immediately tries to gain the second pendant and Force Edge in the fallout after Arkham's death.

Anyway, point is, if he was trying to continue the Sparda bloodline, he's doing it without any thought whatsoever. His actions in DMC3 would have doomed the world and killed his offspring.

[MrCorvington]

All these arguments seem to assume that Virgil knows he had son. Regardless of the fact that Virgil hates humans, he's still a young man with urges and needs before the end of DMC3. You don't need to love or even like someone to get your rocks off. And a father never needs to know he's a father. And even if Virgil does know about Nero, that doesn't mean he has to care about him or even acknowledge him.

I feel like there has to be a blood connection between Nero and the twins. They look waaaay too similar for it to be a coincidence. I guess you can't really discount the reincarnation theory, but I'm pretty sure Capcom intends for him to be Virgil's son. I guess that's the great thing about the vaguness of his backstory though. It fosters fan speculation and debate, which is fun.

[Zhong Xina]

Accually it is quite possible that Nero is Vergils' son. There are some clues in the manga.

[テンゴクのArt]

Crafting theories makes the mind run wild. You have to craft a theory based off given facts appointed from timelines, facts, backstories etc. It's enough to make a man go insane when he's gone through every variable that falls through X and Y and so forth.
They make the motives clear and the personality linear which defines the character. We won't know Dante without the one liners, and goofy I made it look easy combat that he's known for. Which in hand we know Vergil for his demands, his goals, and what HE DESIRES. Yet we do have to remind ourselves. THEY ARE TWINS. THEY SHARE TRAITS. If Dante is a care-free hot grill salivating fella, It's possible without a doubt Vergil can share a similar trait JUST because they are twins.
All in All. We have to remind ourselves, Twins do not just look alike. I just wanted to add this to let the mind open for certain perspectives for everyone who stops by.

However, I will add this. Anyone else notice when you play as Nero in DT, and perform a MAX-Act Streak his DT Silhouette does a "Rapid Slash" and then sheathes the blade into the Scabard just the way Vergil does? Nero uses Yamato like a bruted 2H weapon, while his DT handles it with immense skill and precision already.Also noting Vergil had the same shadow during his ending cutscene, it might be inevitable that his soul has found way into Nero by this injury crafting the Devil Bringer. Which is why Yamato resonates with Devil Bringer and not Nero himself. If Nero shares the Sparda bloodline, this already should enable Vergil to become compatible with Nero and becoming the Devil Bringer within Nero. Just my 2 cent on all this further dicussion.

[Axton10_61]

It's also very possible that Capcom is like, "Vergil is Nero's dad." -drops the mic, walks off the stage- and will never explain any further.

That's the thing about video game stories, a lot of them don't make any sense. Hell, look at fighting games. They always have a huge cast of characters and a story ending for each one. They can't all be true, yet they all exist.

I think Capcom did a disservice by not giving us any info on Nero's mom. With the twins, we at least know they had a demon father and a human mother who looks like Trish. We have all we need to know about thier lineage. With Nero we just have an orphan or something and a vague connection to Sparda's blood.

Hah, this reminds me of Jake Muller in RE6 and how he's "Wesker's son". Sometime in Wesker's life, he had sex with someone, somewhere and had a baby he didn't know about.

Personally, I would prefer there was something more to Nero. We don't know who his mother is after all. It's just hard to accept that Vergil would knock someone up and be a deadbeat dad. He does have his pride after all. But then this is just how Capcom tells stories.

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Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

I think Capcom did a disservice by not giving us any info on Nero's mom.
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Personally, I would prefer there was something more to Nero. We don't know who his mother is after all. It's just hard to accept that Vergil would knock someone up and be a deadbeat dad. He does have his pride after all. But then this is just how Capcom tells stories.

Hmm, about his mom... may I suggest the woman who turned around to look at Vergil in mission 1 cutscene?
But then she appears only once in the game, nothing more to suggest she's related at all... so she may be just a random npc.

[The Holy Spirit]

Pay kq님이 먼저 게시:

Tseth님이 먼저 게시:

I think Capcom did a disservice by not giving us any info on Nero's mom.
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Personally, I would prefer there was something more to Nero. We don't know who his mother is after all. It's just hard to accept that Vergil would knock someone up and be a deadbeat dad. He does have his pride after all. But then this is just how Capcom tells stories.

Hmm, about his mom... may I suggest the woman who turned around to look at Vergil in mission 1 cutscene?
But then she appears only once in the game, nothing more to suggest she's related at all... so she may be just a random npc.

The woman who turned to look at Vergil might be just another generic npc who never saw a hooded stranger in Fortuna before. lol

Capcom be liek "Vergil can't die a virgin, so he must have a baby to prove it before risking his life in dmc 3".

[Axton10_61]

Lol, I had the wild idea that maybe Nero is Dante's kid somehow. As for everything I mentioned about why Vergil wasn't likely the father, none of that really applies to Dante. It would also give Nero Sparda's bloodline which could justify the fact that nero can use Yamato. And then since Yamato is vergil's sword, that would explain the connection to Vergil during Nero's devil trigger. Besides, whenever the twins would use thier DT with different weapons, thier devil forms would change...so... that would explain why Vergil's form is so prominent from Nero during his DT.

But I admit it's wild speculation.

[テンゴクのArt]

Yeah boot Yamato only resonates with Nero's Devil Bringer, and not Nero himself. All of Nero's Devil powers come from and reside within his Devil Bringer. Which is the closest manifestation he holds to being a physical tranformation of a demon. The entire story revolves around his arm and him being a demon. His Devil Bringer is what grasped and held Yamato during the cutscene that Yamato came to him. Aside from that, Nero really doesn't have any "demon-like" properties that is present. The white hair and same eyes is the visual he falls within the Sparda bloodline.

[The Holy Spirit]

I always view Nero as a 1/4 of a demon. He has demon blood, but the only physical part outside is the devil bringer and the rest is human. The Bianco Angelo scene in the library should support that statement.

Is this true?

[LegendaryDS]

why developers are not giving us answers???? or at least show us trailer of devil may cry 5.... :/