This game is a disappointment.

[ʀᴇɪɢɴ]

Before i get any hate for this, i just want to let everyone know that i'm new to DMC. I started with 5. Finished it a few days ago, and i loved it. The graphics, the characters, the personality and style the game brings. I fell in love with it. So i decided to start climbing down the ladder of DMC games and found myself playing DMC4 SE. Boy, was that a mistake. The combat and style remains top notch here, but the level design..the puzzles, the constant forced platforming is really boring me to death. So i'm just going to force myself to the end and be done with it. Despite this, i can still say i love what DMC is all about. Even if every game isn't a knock out of the park.

[gold]

You know this isn't a review section right?
And the reason you don't like it it's because you play dmc5 first and as you said you "started climbing down the ladder of DMC games". Everybody recommends starting on 1 or 3 (skip 2) and then go to 4 and then 5 to feel how much the games have improved and not the opposite.

[ʀᴇɪɢɴ]

Originally posted by -|GOLD|-:

You know this isn't a review section right?

It's a discussion about the game, on the discussion forum for the game.

Originally posted by -|GOLD|-:

And the reason you don't like it it's because you play dmc5 first and as you said you "started climbing down the ladder of DMC games". Everybody recommends starting on 1 or 3 (skip 2) and then go to 4 and then 5 to feel how much the games have improved and not the opposite.

I will play 1 and 3, then. This is the primary reason i made the post, to receive some advice from DMC veterans so that i can enjoy this franchise as much as i possibly can. Thanks.

[EmperorReptile]

I'm new to the series too, though I did finish up 1 and 3 about a month or so ago. I bought 4 during the summer sale and while I was going through it on my first playthrough I initially had the same opinions as you towards the game. It wasn't until my second run on a higher difficulty where things really started to click for me. My rankings improved dramatically as did my understanding of the flow of the game. Platforming and puzzle stuff became a non issue because I already did it once and knew exactly how they worked. Breezed through those parts without a hitch. Now I am hooked on the game and adore it. Going through the levels with the goal of reaching for S ranks across the board is so addicting for me.

[Multihog]

Originally posted by -|GOLD|-:

You know this isn't a review section right?

And? I think it's a good base for discussion, how DMC4's level design, and design in general, pales in comparison to 5, from the perspective of someone who's going backwards starting from the newest game.

Anyway, I only recently started DMC5, and I agree so far. The level design is less annoying without those rotating blade puzzle thingies that were everywhere in DMC4. There are still too many useless cutscenes in DMC5, like why does everything need to interrupt me? Destroyed one of those vine things? Cutscene. Picked up an alien parasite key thingy? Cutscene. Some enemies spawned? Cutscene. Cutscene, cutscene, cutscene. F*ck off with those useless 5 second cutscenes constantly. Other than that, the game has been great.

[Titan]

DMC 4 is by far the weakest of the "good" DMC games. 1, 3 and 5 are all much more refined, well designed experiences. 4 is an incredible mechanical sandbox with superb depth but everything else; bosses, enemies, levels, etc; suck.

[Knight who says Ni]

Agreed, finding this game's obsession with dodgy platforming combined with awful camera is really making it hard to enjoy.

[Dani]

I adore DMC4, I've been playing it since 2008. Because of that fact, I will be the first to tell you that your complaints are 100% warranted. The game's combat is fantastic, but the level design that accompanies it is garbage. The worst examples of this would be:

1) the room where you fight the Bianco Angelos for the first time is too cramped and too dark to be fighting such mobile enemies (This is a real pain in DMD)

2) fighting the Faust and Mephistos on the lift at the beginning of mission 10, no space and the enemies can phase through the walls, so once you down them, you can miss your opportunity to punish them, losing you time and frustrating you in general.

3) the second mandatory fight of mission 17 where you fight assaults and a mephisto/faust. No camera control and you fight in such a cramped space. So if the faust/mephisto phases through the wall you face the same issues as the previous example when you down them.

Some enemies are also genuinely terrible. Chimera infected assaults and scarecrows are the worst offenders because they go against what DMC is all about, launching your enemy and styling on them, but those little turds can passively damage you with their swinging blades ruining your style meter and staggering you to boot. They are not fun and just a chore to fight on harder modes, making the jungle sections of the game almost unbearable.

And of course, the puzzle and platforming sections are VERY hit or miss.

Overall, the game has a million flaws but the things it does right are SO right, namely the depth of combat and Dante as a whole throughout the course of the story. This may not be the best DMC but I love it as though it was prodigal child of mine. DMC 5 improves on a lot of DMC 4's issues and is overall more polished (as any sequel should be) so I understand how going from the former to the latter may give off an underwhelming impression.

[Mika gunhild]

i agree, from all the dmc series ive played dmc4 is the worst

havent played dmc5 cause broke and poor

[xplozeve]

I totally get you bro, DMC 5 is a very good and polished game. Im playing DMC 4 now and im kinda enjoying it, the depht of combat and other stuff, but it doesn't make up for the many flaws the game has... for starters the lack of a mouse support... that is such a ♥♥♥♥ for a PC GAME... the fact the game is totally UNBALANCED etc.... I've platnum'ed all the souls games ( including Sekiro) and i cant get half the achievments on this game due to the poor support it has for PC gaming community.

[sniepr ,]

DMC4 has such amazing combat but then it gets marred by stuff like the dice game, faults, the chimeras, Blitzs, and the other myriad of DMC2 quality design aspects.

[xplozeve]

DMC 4 is unbalanced and ♥♥♥♥♥♥... I got plat on DMC 5 and i can tell you , DMC 4 is retarted... just for starters, i platnumed dmc 5 on KB+MS; DMC 4 is only playable with joystick... I acquired a joystickjust to play this game and realized, it wan't my fault, this game sucks ♥♥♥♥... Dont worry bro, you are not alone... just leave this ♥♥♥♥ alone, go get platnum on DMC5, you will spend a lot of hours and you are going to be happier.

[gold]

Originally posted by xplozeve:

DMC 4 is unbalanced and ♥♥♥♥♥♥... I got plat on DMC 5 and i can tell you , DMC 4 is retarted... just for starters, i platnumed dmc 5 on KB+MS; DMC 4 is only playable with joystick... I acquired a joystickjust to play this game and realized, it wan't my fault, this game sucks ♥♥♥♥... Dont worry bro, you are not alone... just leave this ♥♥♥♥ alone, go get platnum on DMC5, you will spend a lot of hours and you are going to be happier.

Keyboard in dmc4 is not that bad... I remember doing full S on all dificulties with only keyboard. In fact when i started playing dmc5 i changed everything to look like dmc4. Now i just play all type of games on controller

[Peelsepuuppi]

Level design wasn't exactly the highlight of DMC5 either. Visually they are even worse.

Combat in DMC3 4 and 5 is still the best in genre. That's pretty much all I need.

[tv]

Fortuna Castle should have been the best level in this game, but that mandatory dice game, the fixed camera angles failing to tell you which way to go like it always has, the gryo blades and blitz really ruin it. Even now I feel like they intended for Nero to just pick up and throw the gyro blades.

When I first played this in 2010 or 2011, the base version on Ps3 didn't come with proud souls and you had to grind through that awful progression system, with every move becoming more expensive each time you bought something. It was like a punishment for playing the game. Not sure if they were trying to push microtransactions or just artificially extend the gameplay time, but it was a true drag.

I miss the puzzles in 5. Just wish they were optional here.

[Titan]

Originally posted by tv:

Fortuna Castle should have been the best level in this game, but that mandatory dice game, the fixed camera angles failing to tell you which way to go like it always has, the gryo blades and blitz really ruin it. Even now I feel like they intended for Nero to just pick up and throw the gyro blades.

When I first played this in 2010 or 2011, the base version on Ps3 didn't come with proud souls and you had to grind through that awful progression system, with every move becoming more expensive each time you bought something. It was like a punishment for playing the game. Not sure if they were trying to push microtransactions or just artificially extend the gameplay time, but it was a true drag.

I miss the puzzles in 5. Just wish they were optional here.

The removal of dumb gimmick sections and baby's first """puzzles""" in DMC 5 is one of the best things about it.