What is this half ass-ed game?

[shigg]

This isn't even worth playing.

for all who think the were only the H-scenes removed

They personally stated that they removed the following:
1. All H-Scenes.
2. Kissing scenes were censored to not show lips touching or tongue.
3. All sexual jokes were removed or replaced.
4. All nudity was removed or censored.


- 32 H CG removed
- 1 SD CG removed (the one with the sex joke)
- 3 CG some variations removed
- 1 SD CG edited to remove panty shot
- 3 CG edited to add towels
- 1 CG edited to remove visible bra under wet shirt

[aquapendulum]

Originally posted by PabloC:

@Goldenkitten
Oh, I see. Apparently you have absolutely no idea what the term "nukige" means. Yeah, if you classify almost everything with the slightest hint of sexual content as such, then Steam releases will be among the majority of non-nukiges indeed. However, if Shuffle is somehow a borderline nukige, then so is Dengeki Stryker and Grisaia. And IMHHV is, I don't know, an incredibly hardcore pornfest or something (proportionally, it spends at least twice as much time on sex than such titles as Shuffle or Edelweiss). And if you are referring only to the big ones, Planetarian, Narcissu and Eden* are definitely out, and since most of the titles I mentioned have similar length to World End Economica, I guess this one has to go, too. Congratulations, according to your "logic", Steam currently offers -nothing- (Clannad and Higurashi aren't here yet). :P

I scratched my head at this too. Like, out of all things, this what we goes by in identifying nukige:

This visual novel is focused on the erotic content, the storyline and characterization (if any) play a secondary role, and only provide setting for the sex-scenes. Plot serves the sex-scenes, not the other way round.

Saying Shuffle (bad writing as it is), Edelweiss and Saya are nukige are just misinformative and dishonest. I think he has never been exposed to legit nukige stuff like Bishoujo Mangekyou.

[Goldenkitten]

Apparantely "close to the line" means "pure blown porn fest" in your guys minds. I didn't call them nukige, I said they were close. Shuffle has very little story outside of "Who you gonna bang?" even if it's not pure sex, and Saya would make NO sense without the sex ( for craps sake the whole point is the interdimensional horror wants your "fluids", and the subplot is "she's" kinda evil/human and makes your friend a sexslave puppy dog ). If a story literally revolves around sex, or at least focuses on it in such a way that the plot would turn into nonsense then yes, it's stradling a line. It's not nukige, but since there's no word (to my knowledge) for a title that still requires sex to be cohesive I titled them the only thing I could think of that made the point.

Seriously, imagine ANY of those titles without the sex, what are you left with? Either a jumbled mess in Sayas case, or a twenty minute story about a guy whose really bored with school in Shuffles case. The only one I can think of that could have been misinterpreted is Edelweiss and I admit I forgot the addendum to that one which was I was speaking of the routes that were basically nothing but sexfriends to romance which would be just as broken as the Ageha route is in this one. Stuff like Mei's route would be fine without her scenes but then you're left with a half working game.

Misrepresenting what was said simply because I don't think there's an actual word for what I'm talking about doesn't grant access to being smug.

[PabloC]

^ No. It's not "misinterpreting what was said" on our part, it's "misinterpreting the definitions and writing nonsense" on your part.

The very principle of the nukige genre is the LACK of story (or a very minimal amount that only provides the basic setting for the H-scnenes). If something has a proper story, it already isn't a nukige (no matter how poorly written it is). Even if that story does feature sexual content. If said content is actually relevant to the plot, that actually pushes it AWAY from the nukige border (like in case of SnU). That's precisely what I (and everyone sensible) understands under the term "non-nukige".

Shuffle is completely out of the question - it has low sexual content (like 2-3% of the VN, the rest is just dull, generic, moege BS), while nukiges are a sub-category of titles with -high- sexual content. Even Saya no Uta doesn't reach that level.

In short - yeah, "close to the (nukige) line" pretty much DOES mean full blown porn fest.
Disliking Shuffle is -very- understandable, but it doesn't change the fact it's almost as far from the nukige border as an 18+ VN can get.

[Goldenkitten]

And yet you ignore my point. You offer no explanation or rebuff to what I said. You simply point, call me wrong, and run off. Either address the actual point, or if you were a decent person instead of trying to knock someone over you'd offer an explanation. For instance actually trying to inform me of what such titles would be called instead of trying to shoot me down and simply stating I'm wrong.

But I guess I'm expecting too much out of humanity.

[[λG] | TB The One Free Man]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... Well that was a complete waste of money! Precious money for better visual novels..... ;_;

[PabloC]

@Goldenkitten
Aquapendulum was so nice that he quoted the definition of nukiges from VNDB and I did inform you what can be considered a "non-nukige", and what precisely is wrong with your points. What else is there to explain?

I have no idea what you have in mind. Shuffle is basically in exactly the same category as Edelweiss, Dengeki Stryker or Grisaia - story-oriented VNs with LOW sexual content. In such titles, sex can be essential for the plot (as in case of Ageha's route) or not (in most cases) - there's no classification based on that.
Nukiges are a completely different league.

[Konachibi]

I think the easiest way to explain would be to offer an example:

The Bondage Games VN is a nukige, it's all about the sex and stuff, it's the whole point of the plot.

A Kiss For The Petals is not a nikuge. It features full frontal sex scenes but the game itself is all about a budding romance, the H scenes are just a thing that's thrown in because it helps build the rest of the plot.

It's kinda like anime. Bible Black is a full-blown hentai, nobody really watches it for it's story, whilst Eiken is an ecchi, despite it's heavy focus on boobs.

[aquapendulum]

Originally posted by Konachibi:

I think the easiest way to explain would be to offer an example:

The Bondage Games VN is a nukige, it's all about the sex and stuff, it's the whole point of the plot.

A Kiss For The Petals is not a nikuge. It features full frontal sex scenes but the game itself is all about a budding romance, the H scenes are just a thing that's thrown in because it helps build the rest of the plot.

It's kinda like anime. Bible Black is a full-blown hentai, nobody really watches it for it's story, whilst Eiken is an ecchi, despite it's heavy focus on boobs.

Or just measure the percentage of erotic content in the game. If it passes the 20% mark, it's likely to be nukige.

[PabloC]

@Konachibi
Titles from A Kiss For The Petals / SonoHana series are actually classified as nukiges - although they definitely have more story than an average pornfest. The plot is quite simplistic though, and in the end, the main focus is put on girls banging each other. But yeah, it's a very borderline case.

@Aquapendulum
There's one problem with percentage of ero - there are many story-oriented titles with high sexual content that pass that 20% line, but actually aren't nukiges (and those happen to be my favorite type of VNs).

Depending on your play style, https://vndb.org/v13987 can have ~3% or >80% of sex (almost all scenes are avoidable, but you can get a few sex scenes per minute if you want).
And https://vndb.org/v4767 is pretty much 90% H-scenes, and yet it uses sex to deliver emotional impact, not just as a fap material, and the entire story is told via internal thoughts of the (female) protagonist during sex-scenes.

I'd put it like this: if something has less than 20% of erotic content, than it definitely isn't a nukige. Over 20% is problematic.

[Konachibi]

Hmm, I always thought Kiss For The Petals was mild enough to not be considered a nukige, ah well.

[GDan]

Ah, well thanks for the notice. I WON'T be bying this steam version then. As for whats done, it's silly ofc. Shame on who ever walks around with their censoring.