Development cost and time comparision :)

[bparry]

I got tired of people complaining over nothing. Lets put this into prospective shall we :)
SOTA started its campaign 2013 and currently is nearing release. that said it has a small team and just over $12 Million raised to fund its development.

Now that said many are mad and disappointed in the time frame and the cost. So I figured I would dig up this to make a statement to show why this game with this budget is fantastic and worth every penny imo :)

https://mmos.com/editorials/most-expensive-mmorpgs-ever-developed

If you look at this link you will see what most of the top games spent to develop. compared to SOTA we should only have about 1/10 of a game even designed with the current budget based on these games. what does that tell you.

It tells me that SOTA's small development team is pretty awesome keep up the good work :)

[epicandroid]

If they were nearing release they'd be in Beta. The game warns players that it pre alpha every time you log in. Steam has it labled EA. Not releasing anytime soon, have you seen the frame rates and loadscreens?

[bparry]

Originally posted by epicandroid:

If they were nearing release they'd be in Beta. The game warns players that it pre alpha every time you log in. Steam has it labled EA. Not releasing anytime soon, have you seen the frame rates and loadscreens?

My load times are not that bad. about 20-30 seconds if that and a frame rate of 26 on average with the exception of a few player towns.

last 3 patches the load times have improved huge.

I believe we will see a release Q1 of next year based on the current progress. but that is my opinion :)

the point of the post is they are getting are on the last stage of Alpha which is polish, and optimizations, as well to point out the budget they have and timeframe vs that of other titles people compare this too and that people complain about.

in looking at it from a logic perspective this game is further along then most at a fraction of the budget.

PS. I run this on two systems with good frame rate. one is the new MSI GE73VR laptop which as replaced my main gaming system. If you have issues with framerate on a decent machine you can gain 15FPS by turning shadows until they optimize frame rates which should be over the next 2 months I would guess.

[Enthralling Victor]

Yeah, it's pretty impressive. I really dig the monthly releases too. It's amazing to see it change so fast. I'm really behind on the adventuring side thanks to RL concerns, when I get back there are a lot of armors, banners, and other side quests I have waiting for me.

I'm sure there are some other games out there that have the same method, but none of the big ones I have ever played. Heck, it takes Civilization 6 - 10 month, or an eternity, whichever is shorter, to patch a few things after release.

Same with XCOM, if you have a game killing bug, you might as well plan on waiting until the next DLC or XCOM 3 comes out, because they are NOT going to be patching it for you. (or a player releases a patch, that does happen, thanks to those players.)

[Catnip Games]

Thanks all for understanding what it takes to develop such a game as Shroud! Yes, it takes years, and lots of money... but it's happening, and going to be awesome upon Launch. Looking forward to all of your continued feedback as we get to this date!

[andreas.bertits]

Originally posted by bparry:

I got tired of people complaining over nothing. Lets put this into prospective shall we :)
SOTA started its campaign 2013 and currently is nearing release. that said it has a small team and just over $12 Million raised to fund its development.

Now that said many are mad and disappointed in the time frame and the cost. So I figured I would dig up this to make a statement to show why this game with this budget is fantastic and worth every penny imo :)

https://mmos.com/editorials/most-expensive-mmorpgs-ever-developed

If you look at this link you will see what most of the top games spent to develop. compared to SOTA we should only have about 1/10 of a game even designed with the current budget based on these games. what does that tell you.

It tells me that SOTA's small development team is pretty awesome keep up the good work :)

Why are you only comparing it to AAA MMOs?

What about other crowdfunded games like Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance? How does the budget compare to those games and the quality of those games?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by bparry:

I got tired of people complaining over nothing. Lets put this into prospective shall we :)
SOTA started its campaign 2013 and currently is nearing release. that said it has a small team and just over $12 Million raised to fund its development.

Now that said many are mad and disappointed in the time frame and the cost. So I figured I would dig up this to make a statement to show why this game with this budget is fantastic and worth every penny imo :)

https://mmos.com/editorials/most-expensive-mmorpgs-ever-developed

If you look at this link you will see what most of the top games spent to develop. compared to SOTA we should only have about 1/10 of a game even designed with the current budget based on these games. what does that tell you.

It tells me that SOTA's small development team is pretty awesome keep up the good work :)

Totally wrong facts. Game has raised around 18-20 million considering the telethons and in game shop purchases. And thats without counting the funds raised through seedinvest and with the agreements with Travian and Black Sun.
You can check other EA or Early Alpha/Beta however you want to call it games that done much better with less or much less.
Legends of Aria has 1/15 of the funds and it was and gradually becomes as close to UO as you can get.
I purchased Grim Dawn with Crucible DLC and the new expansion with less than 30 bucks. So this game is far behind many Kickstarts and Early Access games i have put my money on. Maybe scam is a hard word for now but shady business is a word that describe the background going on till now considering funds,game release etc.
After all not all people went mad and started the reporting on Kickstarter.I am here without a single drop of hate or bitterness since i bailed out and took my money worth back from August 2016 since it was 100% clear where they head to.
Old UO vets and gamers that kickstarted/helped this have the obligation not to let companies doing tactics and actions implemented atm by Port get away with that.

[Proteus]

Originally posted by andreas.bertits:

Why are you only comparing it to AAA MMOs?

What about other crowdfunded games like Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance? How does the budget compare to those games and the quality of those games?

3 of those are isometric views and none are MMOs, so I don't see how the comparisons would be valid.

[tro...]

My only question is why is the executive producer so not informed he posts incorrect facts calls them valid finds out there not, corrects his mistakes and goes and edits the posts on the forums. Good Job Port... get your **** together.

[Stedios]

Looking at the OP list I have played some of the best, Final fantasy, Star wars and ESO being my current fave after Secret world shafted us Veterans, Being a kickstarter backer I still hold out hope for this game but cannot help feel if they had just developed a single player game they would have knocked it out the park, It's all the mmo stuff thats really killing it, So far it's been an interesting social experiment, With the team continuing to raise good money from it's public, that just amazes me how deep peoples pockets go, I want them to pull it off and heres to hoping they do.

[🎶Alleine Dragonfyre]

Great post! Is this Xee?!

[andreas.bertits]

Originally posted by Twiggi Fizzlesticks:

Originally posted by andreas.bertits:

Why are you only comparing it to AAA MMOs?

What about other crowdfunded games like Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance? How does the budget compare to those games and the quality of those games?

3 of those are isometric views and none are MMOs, so I don't see how the comparisons would be valid.

Doesn't SotA also want to deliver a great single player experience? So I would definitely say a comparison to other SP games is valid.
As to the perspective. Why should this matter?

Oh and by the way. Some quote from the Kickstarter-campaign:

"Though Shroud of the Avatar won’t be a massively multiplayer online role playing game, it will be a multiplayer game." ;)

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep:

Legends of Aria has 1/15 of the funds and it was and gradually becomes as close to UO as you can get.

Hello!!!! Is this the game I have been waiting and looking for! Thank you for bringing this to my attention.... So very excited I may have finally found that game I have wanted for so very long!

[bparry]

Originally posted by MaeveAlleine of Moonglow⭐:

Great post! Is this Xee?!

You bet :)

[bparry]

Originally posted by andreas.bertits:

Originally posted by bparry:

I got tired of people complaining over nothing. Lets put this into prospective shall we :)
SOTA started its campaign 2013 and currently is nearing release. that said it has a small team and just over $12 Million raised to fund its development.

Now that said many are mad and disappointed in the time frame and the cost. So I figured I would dig up this to make a statement to show why this game with this budget is fantastic and worth every penny imo :)

https://mmos.com/editorials/most-expensive-mmorpgs-ever-developed

If you look at this link you will see what most of the top games spent to develop. compared to SOTA we should only have about 1/10 of a game even designed with the current budget based on these games. what does that tell you.

It tells me that SOTA's small development team is pretty awesome keep up the good work :)

Why are you only comparing it to AAA MMOs?

What about other crowdfunded games like Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance? How does the budget compare to those games and the quality of those games?

What is in a AAA? AAA simply means in the end it was rated top. I think all developers strive for AAA would you not agree? just because its crowed funded does not mean it can't be AAA :)

As anotgher poster mentioned why are you comparing to iso metric games? Iso metric games are not even in the same league for development. 3D enviroments take alot longer to develop then isometric.

[andreas.bertits]

Originally posted by bparry:

Originally posted by andreas.bertits:

Why are you only comparing it to AAA MMOs?

What about other crowdfunded games like Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance? How does the budget compare to those games and the quality of those games?

What is in a AAA? AAA simply means in the end it was rated top. I think all developers strive for AAA would you not agree? just because its crowed funded does not mean it can't be AAA :)

As anotgher poster mentioned why are you comparing to iso metric games? Iso metric games are not even in the same league for development. 3D enviroments take alot longer to develop then isometric.

AAA normally describes game with a very high budget for development.

So Divinity Original Sin 2 doesn't use 3D graphics? Or Wasteland 2?