Okay this is driving me crazy (Cursed Cavern Help)

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I don't understand how to open the grate to what I assume is the Tiny Nest in the Cursed Cave. I've been exploring the cavern left and right, opened every switch, closed every switch, but I can NOT figure out how to open that one grate on the accompanying image. I could assume you'd have to get from it from the other side but I don't understand how to get there either. All my area map appears to be full and the only spot on the map with an indication of something is this spot.

I tried breaking every wall around and on the map, or go through an invisible wall and this is driving me completely crazy. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.
https://postimg.cc/4HHMbD35

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Wait wait so the suspicious line had something to do with it then? I tried freezing it doesn't work either. Unless it's not that at all. In which case, this ''secret'' is the most idiotic thing in existence, there's is literally no hint to anything

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

Wait wait so the suspicious line had something to do with it then? I tried freezing it doesn't work either. Unless it's not that at all. In which case, this ''secret'' is the most idiotic thing in existence, there's is literally no hint to anything

Yeah, it's to do with the water. I figured it out, but there's NO way of telling you have to do this in game AT ALL.

(Short of, I suppose, trial and error if you've been methodically freezing all the bodies of water in the game to see if there's anything under them.)

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Uhhh, can I have an hint cause I've been messing with it and nothing seem to affect it. Like what can you do with water outside running on it or freezing it?

Also I'm confused. Water there only seem to hurt one of my 2 characters if I fall in

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

Uhhh, can I have an hint cause I've been messing with it and nothing seem to affect it. Like what can you do with water outside running on it or freezing it?

Remember what you did with the lava in the fire place to open up new rooms?

Hit it.

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What do you mean hit it? Just whip it?

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

What do you mean hit it? Just whip it?

Yup.

BTW, I'm talking the left-hand part of the desert water here.

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You're gonna have to be more specific cause whipping the water does nothing and I can't freeze it

Edit : OH ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I figured it out. That's stupid AF that you have to hit the GROUND to have it freeze the water.

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

You're gonna have to be more specific cause whipping the water does nothing and I can't freeze it

You have to land the freeze seed on the land right at the edge, then the explosion will freeze it. For some reason it doesn't work the same way as it does on lava, where you just throw the seed at the fire. God knows why. Just to be MORE obscure, I guess.

Then you can just whip it.

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Yeah I got it,, that's really, REALLY evil, because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere. Now I just need to figure out the Tea Party achievement.

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

Yeah I got it,, that's really, REALLY evil, because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere. Now I just need to figure out the Tea Party achievement.

Aye, I've just made a post about that. I assumed it was something to do with the save point at the top of the ice place, but couldn't get anything to trigger there. (In fact, that's how I found one of the Demon Hunter locations).

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

Yeah I got it,, that's really, REALLY evil, because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere. Now I just need to figure out the Tea Party achievement.

Figured it out. Did you know you can swap maids when you're sat down at a save point. Because I didn't until I just tried it.

[MeddySP]

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere.

That's not how it works, you can freeze lava by simply throwing the seed because lava is solid so they collide. Water is liquid so the seeds always pass through before exploding. The seeds aren't even close to being the only way to freeze either.

[Demajen]

Origineel geplaatst door MeddySP:

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere.

That's not how it works, you can freeze lava by simply throwing the seed because lava is solid so they collide. Water is liquid so the seeds always pass through before exploding. The seeds aren't even close to being the only way to freeze either.

I had issues with the elemental stuff throughout the game. I never got an Ice Affinity subweapon to work, nor did half of the Freeze subweapons seem to do anything, except the Cursed Sword which COULD freeze lava and enemies.

Until it stopped doing so.


I did get a Fire Affinity subweapon to allow my whip to burn thorns for a bit. Until it stopped doing it. And then I never managed to get a Fire Affinity subweapon to allow my whip to burn again.

So either it is a bit buggy, I didn't understand it, or like so much in the game, it is badly explained. I mean, they still don't tell you in-game that you can press R2 to toggle more indepth descriptors for the subweapon traits. I chanced upon that when putting my controller down one time.

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Origineel geplaatst door Demajen:

Figured it out. Did you know you can swap maids when you're sat down at a save point. Because I didn't until I just tried it.

Wait... That actually makes sense. Should have tried that.

Origineel geplaatst door MeddySP:

Origineel geplaatst door セブ様:

because the other bodies of water can be frozen just seeding it anywhere.

That's not how it works, you can freeze lava by simply throwing the seed because lava is solid so they collide. Water is liquid so the seeds always pass through before exploding. The seeds aren't even close to being the only way to freeze either.

Yeah, but every other body of water I came across was frozen by just freezing the water itself. I was chugging some at the boat places to see if it did anything. I have no idea what is supposed to freeze the water cause the obvious Freeze Curse or whatever doesn't do anything.

[MeddySP]

There's a logic behind how the Freeze and other status passives work and which subweapons are best suitable for these passives. But anyway, the achievements are not glitched and there was no need to CE to get them like it was being theorized early here.