lots of very mad chinese people

[head man]

whats going on guys, lots of strange negative reviews exclusively from chinese people, many even written in english to target westerners. whats the deal?

[云畔雾隐花]

Because the developer of this game attempts to split our country. Taiwan is an indispensable part of our territory. Anyone who wants to undermine the unity of our country will be severely sanctioned.

[栗子Chestnut]

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

[lih1017]

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

你好，台語是1989年一個清朝人在官方書面文字為福建遷移到台灣的人民所命名的官方用語，閩南語這個名詞1935年才第一次在上海的報紙上出現。
你在聲稱一個清朝人試圖分裂你大中國嗎？

[云畔雾隐花]

Originally posted by head man:

Originally posted by 这是可以玩的吗？:

搞台独上不了天堂，耶稣不会原谅

While I am not an expert in biblical theory I am fairly certain that being against Taiwanese independence is not a prerequisite for getting into heaven. This appears to be a factually incorrect emotional outburst.

总之搞台独就像我支持美国各个州独立一样，难道每个人都希望自己国家这样吗？

[head man]

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

Hi, as a foreigner, I am obviously not in a position to tell you what values you or your countrymen should hold, furthermore, I generally agree with your position that unless a game is clearly political in nature that it should avoid making potentially divisive political statements. That being said, this response is, in my view, excessive. From my research, it does appear to me that this "Taiwanese" Chinese used on the island, while very similar, is materially different enough to justify adding as a language option to a game, particularly in a world where AI makes it much easier to have relatively quick and accurate translations.

I would like to ask: is this an issue of labeling? Can this third "Taiwanese" language exist in the game at all in a way that is not offensive to Chinese players, or is its inclusion alone so problematic that a game with it included simply cannot exist within China?

[云畔雾隐花]

Originally posted by lih1017:

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

你好，台語是1989年一個清朝人在官方書面文字為福建遷移到台灣的人民所命名的官方用語，閩南語這個名詞1935年才第一次在上海的報紙上出現。
你在聲稱一個清朝人試圖分裂你大中國嗎？

绿蛙别混淆视听。1.不能代表台湾人，台湾还有别的语言：广东人口1亿，其中客家话，闽语（潮汕雷州）人口3000多万人，占广东人口30%以上，广府话还不是照样叫粤语。台湾非闽南人的人口只占总人口20%+。2.台语一词是台独产物：台语的说法最晚在20世纪初就有了，那时候哪来的台独。非要说的话那时候还有“厦语”（厦门话）这种说法，只是没能像台语一样流传下来。3.台语是闽南语/闽语分支，不能叫语：沪语是吴语分支，美语（美式英语）是英语分支。4.不是台湾本土语言：这个比较搞，有些人觉得台湾原本是少数民族（原住民）地区，汉人是后来来的，所以台语只能是指原住民语言……那么海南（黎民），广东（南越），福建（闽越），江浙沪（吴越，瓯越），东北（契丹，女真，鞑靼）……最早都是少数民族地盘，这就是汉族的扩张史，扩张有先后而已。

[Letarsier]

Originally posted by lih1017:

They think "Taiwanese" is some kind of official language created by Taiwan, but in fact it is a language also called "Minnan", which is a unique language originating from a certain place in China, and it is also The official language spoken by many Malaysians.
Taiwanese is an official term created in 1989 when China was still ruled by the Qing Dynasty, and Minnan is a term created in 1935.
They went crazy when they saw Taiwan and didn't understand what it meant.

You mean, this "game" is from Taiwan ? I thought there were higher standards by there.

[云畔雾隐花]

Originally posted by head man:

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

Hi, as a foreigner, I am obviously not in a position to tell you what values you or your countrymen should hold, furthermore, I generally agree with your position that unless a game is clearly political in nature that it should avoid making potentially divisive political statements. That being said, this response is, in my view, excessive. From my research, it does appear to me that this "Taiwanese" Chinese used on the island, while very similar, is materially different enough to justify adding as a language option to a game, particularly in a world where AI makes it much easier to have relatively quick and accurate translations.

I would like to ask: is this an issue of labeling? Can this third "Taiwanese" language exist in the game at all in a way that is not offensive to Chinese players, or is its inclusion alone so problematic that a game with it included simply cannot exist within China?

There is no recognition of this so-called "Taiwanese language" on Steam. You can see that it is not included in the game's supported language options. Therefore, the claim of this language is not recognized.

[Letarsier]

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

There cannot be any idea of splitting or dividing since both China and Taiwan already exist since decades.

It makes as much sense as if France had claims on Belgium or Germany on Austria.

[lih1017]

Originally posted by Letarsier:

Originally posted by lih1017:

They think "Taiwanese" is some kind of official language created by Taiwan, but in fact it is a language also called "Minnan", which is a unique language originating from a certain place in China, and it is also The official language spoken by many Malaysians.
Taiwanese is an official term created in 1989 when China was still ruled by the Qing Dynasty, and Minnan is a term created in 1935.
They went crazy when they saw Taiwan and didn't understand what it meant.

You mean, this "game" is from Taiwan ? I thought there were higher standards by there.

I'm not sure where this team comes from, but Taiwan calls Hokkien as Taiwanese, which is the official written name.

[我从来不玩游戏]

Originally posted by head man:

Originally posted by 栗子Chestnut:

You can add simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese in the game, but the author just added Taiwan lunguage after both, which means that the author supports Taiwan Province independence, and the author himself stated in the latest announcement that he "respects users' views on a China". From the perspective of a China, if the author sincerely apologizes to China players, he should support a China principle instead of playing word games here. The author not only wants to disgust China players, but also wants to eat the China market. You should know that splitting the country is a very bad behavior that can't be forgiven in any country, so try to think from the perspective of China people: If a game promotes the idea of splitting your country, will you still give the game a good review?

Hi, as a foreigner, I am obviously not in a position to tell you what values you or your countrymen should hold, furthermore, I generally agree with your position that unless a game is clearly political in nature that it should avoid making potentially divisive political statements. That being said, this response is, in my view, excessive. From my research, it does appear to me that this "Taiwanese" Chinese used on the island, while very similar, is materially different enough to justify adding as a language option to a game, particularly in a world where AI makes it much easier to have relatively quick and accurate translations.

I would like to ask: is this an issue of labeling? Can this third "Taiwanese" language exist in the game at all in a way that is not offensive to Chinese players, or is its inclusion alone so problematic that a game with it included simply cannot exist within China?

你是波兰人对吧，虽然我不擅长历史，但我给你举个例子。波兰历史上被侵略占领过对吧？被苏联、德国搞分裂了。第二次世界大战之后你们才复国。如果现在当时德国占领的地方宣布自己不属于波兰，要独立出去自己建国，并把自己带有地方口音的波兰语说成是自己国家独有的语言，并且宣布自己才是正统波兰人，你会愿意吗？

[head man]

Originally posted by lih1017:

Originally posted by Letarsier:

You mean, this "game" is from Taiwan ? I thought there were higher standards by there.

I'm not sure where this team comes from, but Taiwan calls Hokkien as Taiwanese, which is the official written name.

i believe the developers are Korean.

[lih1017]

Originally posted by head man:

Originally posted by lih1017:

I'm not sure where this team comes from, but Taiwan calls Hokkien as Taiwanese, which is the official written name.

i believe the developers are Korean.

If so, the development team may have used this title because it was translated in common Taiwanese terminology.
Hokkien in different regions does have different word usage habits.

[栗子Chestnut]

我非常高兴你能认同我的观点，我也会回答你的疑问。
0.8我们来自不同的地区，有着不同的政治意识文化形态，对于一个事情的认知也是不同的，但是我很高兴你能与我进行友好交流，我也很乐意解答你的疑问。

0.9这当中涉及许多中国传统文化和中国近代史的问题，如果可以，我希望你自己仔细研究一下中国传统文化和中国近代史，然后自己评判谁对谁错，而不是看争论者一方的一面之词。

1.首先，在现代中文语言体系当中，简体中文是最流行的一种语言，其次是繁体中文，这两种语言本质上是一种语言，也就意味着我们中国人既能看懂繁体中文，也能看懂简体中文，如果你感兴趣的话可以研究一下其中的原因，所以游戏中的台湾语是非常没有存在的必要，只需要有简体中文或者繁体中文就可以让我们使用中文语言体系的玩家畅玩游戏。

2.其次在中国确实存在一种少数民族的语言，叫闽南语，就是所谓的台湾语，这是因为过去的历史原因导致的，但是在中国，我们有56个少数民族，每个民族都有着自己的方言，部分民族甚至有自己的文字，对内我们尊重各个民族的传统语言，文字与文化，发扬，传承，并保护它们，但是对外，我们都是中国人，我们只认同我们的官方语言是简体中文或者繁体中文，并且官方承认这两种语言，并不存在所谓的第三种语言。这第三种“台语”是可以以一种不冒犯中国玩家的方式存在于游戏中，那就是繁体中文。

3.作者在游戏内部大量使用AI翻译，有很多语言错误，导致玩家不能很好的享受游戏，但是我觉得这是无伤大雅的，后期优化即可。

4.导致这款游戏迎来这么多中国人的辱骂的原因是：作者触碰了中国的政治红线（台湾是中国不可分割的一部分，任何宣传国家分裂的行为都是不正确的）在我们中国人眼里，在游戏中添加台湾语这个选项，就是在触碰中国政治红线，所以仅仅是包含它就有问题，以至于包含它的游戏根本不能在中国存在。

5.这款游戏不可能在中国存在的原因：因为它宣传台湾独立（宣传国家分裂）

6.对于许多中国玩家集体辱骂这款游戏的作者的行为，站在我的角度我是非常赞同的，因为我是中国人，我爱我的国家，因为这款游戏包含宣传分裂我国家的内容，所以我也会给这款游戏差评。

7.你的评论下面有台湾独立分子宣传自己的思想与观点，这在中国是不被允许的，因为它涉及国家分裂，这放在任何一个国家都是不被允许的，希望你能批判性的看待这些言论，这并非言论不自由，只是宣传台湾独立的人不太清楚先有国后有家的问题，对于这个问题作为中国人的我只有一句话：我不希望我的祖国分裂，我希望中国和平统一。

I am very glad that you can agree with me, and I will answer your questions.
We come from different regions, have different political ideologies and cultures, and have different understandings of one thing, but I am glad that you can have a friendly exchange with me, and I am happy to answer your questions.

0.9 There are many issues concerning the traditional culture of China and the modern history of China. If you can, I hope you can study the traditional culture of China and the modern history of China carefully, and then judge for yourself who is right and who is wrong, instead of looking at the arguer's one-sided view.

1. First of all, in the modern Chinese language system, simplified Chinese is the most popular language, followed by traditional Chinese. These two languages are essentially one language, which means that we in China can understand both traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese. If you are interested, you can study the reasons, so Taiwan Province in the game is very unnecessary. We only need simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese to let players who use the Chinese language system play games.

2. Secondly, there does exist a minority language in China, called Minnan, which is the so-called Taiwan Province language, which is caused by historical reasons in the past. However, in China, we have 56 ethnic minorities, each of which has its own dialect, and some ethnic groups even have their own scripts. Internally, we respect the traditional languages, scripts and cultures of various ethnic groups, carry forward, inherit and protect them, but externally, we are all from China. This third Taiwanese language can exist in the game in a way that does not offend China players, and that is traditional Chinese.

3. The author uses AI translation extensively in the game, and there are many language errors, which make the players unable to enjoy the game well, but I think it is harmless and can be optimized later.

4. The reason why this game has been abused by so many people in China is that the author has touched the political red line of China (Taiwan Province is an inalienable part of China, and any propaganda of national division is incorrect). In the eyes of China people, adding Taiwan Province to the game is just touching the political red line of China, so there is something wrong with just including it, so that the game containing it cannot exist in China at all.

5. The reason why this game can't exist in China: Because it promotes Taiwan Province's independence (promoting national division).

6. From my point of view, I agree with many China players who collectively insult the author of this game. Because I am from China, I love my country, and because this game contains propaganda to split my country, I will also give this game a bad review.

7. Under your comments, Taiwan Province independents propagate their thoughts and opinions, which is not allowed in China, because it involves national division, which is not allowed in any country. I hope you can look at these remarks critically. This is not freedom of speech, but people who advocate Taiwan Province independence are not clear about the problem of having a country before having a family. As a China native, I have only one thing to say about this issue: I don't want my motherland to be divided, I hope China will be reunified peacefully.

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Originally posted by lih1017:

They think "Taiwanese" is some kind of official language created by Taiwan, but in fact it is a language also called "Minnan", which is a unique language originating from a certain place in China, and it is also The official language spoken by many Malaysians.
Taiwanese is an official term created in 1989 when China was still ruled by the Qing Dynasty, and Minnan is a term created in 1935.
They went crazy when they saw Taiwan and didn't understand what it meant.

Where was the Qing Dynasty in 1989