Battle of endor question.

[The Big Red 1]

this keeps bothering me a lot is how Darth Sidious (aka. Avocado Face/Scrotum with teeth), the guy who orchestrated/manipulated the Clone Wars and plotted the greatest takeover in Star Wars history lost at Endor? if he was so clever how could he have lost that really important strategic fight? did his luck run out or did his plans started to become stale or stupid?

[EndangeredPootisBird]

"the dark side clouds all", including the dark side itself.

[The Big Red 1]

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

"the dark side clouds all", including the dark side itself.

yet it worked in the Clone Wars the dude played both sides...

[Zom Zoms]

Endor Always Takes Some Heavy Intuitive Tactics

[DawnsElite]

You can sum it up to over confidence and just bad military strategy. Like really bad. Like ozzel coming out of hyperspace too close to Hoth bad. Basically Plot

[The Big Red 1]

Originally posted by DawnsElite:

You can sum it up to over confidence and just bad military strategy. Like really bad. Like ozzel coming out of hyperspace too close to Hoth bad. Basically Plot

by the time of endor darth sidious pretty lost most of his "swag/mojo" from the Clone Wars right? 0-0

[Darth Alpharius]

He was Overconfident believing Vader to be Fully Loyal.

But didn't expect him to Enforce the Rule of Two.

[The Big Red 1]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

He was Overconfident believing Vader to be Fully Loyal.

But didn't expect him to Enforce the Rule of Two.

you think it would have made a difference if darth sidious was down on the planet going "unlimited powa!" on the...2 foot tall teddy bears.

[chaosbringer42]

Canon reason during the movie - He didnt think Vader would betray him, and underestimated the rebels

Canon reason way after the movie #1 (during EP1/2/3) - He became weaker over time because the force likes its balance, once he killed most of the jedi the force balanced itself and he lost a crapload of power

Canon reason way after the movie #2 - When the ability battle meditation "came out" Lucas decided Palpy had it. He used it constantly on his forces. So when he got so into corrupting Luke, he stopped using it, and his troops that were normally like clockwork turned into a mess because they were so used to his control in battle.

[The Big Red 1]

Originally posted by chaosbringer42:

Canon reason during the movie - He didnt think Vader would betray him, and underestimated the rebels

Canon reason way after the movie #1 (during EP1/2/3) - He became weaker over time because the force likes its balance, once he killed most of the jedi the force balanced itself and he lost a crapload of power

Canon reason way after the movie #2 - When the ability battle meditation "came out" Lucas decided Palpy had it. He used it constantly on his forces. So when he got so into corrupting Luke, he stopped using it, and his troops that were normally like clockwork turned into a mess because they were so used to his control in battle.

so his luck did run out by endor he just didn't know it?

[hutt_destroyer]

The reason the Battle of Endor ended the way it did was because Palpatine was over confidante that he could turn Luke to the Dark Side. he created this plan to let the Rebels get their hands on the plans for the second death star, becuase he most likely foresaw that Luke would go to Endor and end up turning himself over to Vader to protect the Rebel Commando unit. Then Sidous would use the fact that the Rebel Commandos, and the Fleet where trapped as a way to turn luke. If Sidious was using Battle Mediatation he stopped using it the moment Luke threw his lightsaber aside and refused to finish off Vader, because he was so sure Luke would kill Vader and take his place by Sidious's Side. It was basicly a "O.K. what do I do now?" moment.

[Root 12c]

Originally posted by The Big Red 1:

this keeps bothering me a lot is how Darth Sidious (aka. Avocado Face/Scrotum with teeth), the guy who orchestrated/manipulated the Clone Wars and plotted the greatest takeover in Star Wars history lost at Endor? if he was so clever how could he have lost that really important strategic fight? did his luck run out or did his plans started to become stale or stupid?

I actually just read the second Aftermath book and there is a scene where Sidious is talking with one of his Admirals. He acualllly planned to lose on Endor. His Admiral was super cocky saying stuff like "Our fleet here is too strong, the Rebels will not know what hit them" and Sidious pretty much tells the guy that he should make plans on the chance the rebels do win and sends him away to pretty much rebuild the Empire if they lose. That the Admiral will know the outcome of the fight and what needs to be done.
I definetly recommend those books, they're really good and Lowkey what i wish the sequel trilogies were about

[The Big Red 1]

Originally posted by Root 12c:

Originally posted by The Big Red 1:

this keeps bothering me a lot is how Darth Sidious (aka. Avocado Face/Scrotum with teeth), the guy who orchestrated/manipulated the Clone Wars and plotted the greatest takeover in Star Wars history lost at Endor? if he was so clever how could he have lost that really important strategic fight? did his luck run out or did his plans started to become stale or stupid?

I actually just read the second Aftermath book and there is a scene where Sidious is talking with one of his Admirals. He acualllly planned to lose on Endor. His Admiral was super cocky saying stuff like "Our fleet here is too strong, the Rebels will not know what hit them" and Sidious pretty much tells the guy that he should make plans on the chance the rebels do win and sends him away to pretty much rebuild the Empire if they lose. That the Admiral will know the outcome of the fight and what needs to be done.
I definetly recommend those books, they're really good and Lowkey what i wish the sequel trilogies were about

yeah they should have stayed with the legends timeline instead because in that reality both luke and han had kids and their legacies were assured to continue eg. cade skywalker and ania solo

[CommodoreKong]

He actually had a solid plan that probably would have crippled if not outright destroyed the Rebel Alliance however he either didn't know about or underestimated the Ewoks (understandable) and didn't count on Vader turning against him.

[chaosbringer42]

Originally posted by CommodoreKong:

He actually had a solid plan that probably would have crippled if not outright destroyed the Rebel Alliance however he either didn't know about or underestimated the Ewoks (understandable) and didn't count on Vader turning against him.

The ewoks were the dumbest part of the movie and they all need to die (even before the books and games and everything else existed).

Stormtrooper armor was a two part thing.
Part 1 - Synthweave inner wear that was blaster resistant (it could take 1-2 shots most of the time before the wearer got dead).
Part 2 - A hard outer shell that was extremely pierce and concussion resistant, meant to resist and in most cases stop slugthrowers outright. Arrows, spears, bolas, and stones would do jack to stormtroopers.