republic Vs. Empire. who'd win in the war? (no force users)

[leewooboi]

I feel the republic wwould win as they have billions of troops that can acctually fire STRAIT! also, they have access to millions if not billions of acclimators, venators, and victory I- class star destroyers. and finally, they aren't completely HATED throuout the galaxy, unlike the empire. So, on a scale of 1 to 10, republic wins 5.5 times.

[CasualGerman]

The Aim thing is the biggest misconception of the entire franchise. It's stated in the Movie the Stormtroopers arent suppose to hit luke ect they were told they need them alive (thats why obi wan states that the hits on the sandcrawler can be only achieved by Stormtroopers because of how accurate they were (oh and also the Empire probably has more ships because they need to patrol the whole galaxy unlike the Republic and the Venator is a ♥♥♥♥ capital ship it's more like a WW2 carrier same with the Acclimator not that good compared to Victory II's)

[[KOB]ThePoggiestMan]

25,000 star destroyers vs some carriars hmmmm

[Sploinks]

Not exactly true. I'd vote the Republic winning just due to the fact that they have better fighters and bombers. Plus with thousands of venators carrying 450+ starfighters each they would completely overrun the Empires forces. In Rogue One it just took 3 Y-Wings to take out an Imperial Star Destroyer! Also, the Venator would not be like a WWII carrier. It has superior fighters and superior number of fighters to that of a victory class.

[CasualGerman]

Początkowo opublikowane przez PotatoSmasher:

Not exactly true. I'd vote the Republic winning just due to the fact that they have better fighters and bombers. Plus with thousands of venators carrying 450+ starfighters each they would completely overrun the Empires forces. In Rogue One it just took 3 Y-Wings to take out an Imperial Star Destroyer! Also, the Venator would not be like a WWII carrier. It has superior fighters and superior number of fighters to that of a victory class.

" It has superior fighters and superior number of fighters to that of a victory class." Yes because its a carrier. What you are doing is basically saying "the Lexington class has more planes than the bismark" of course because that's what it was build for.

And for your Y-Wing example have you seen the clone wars? The Venator lost almost in every battle even if against Munificent class Frigates. Now how many times were Star Destroyers destroyed without some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ movie magic *cough* a small ship pushing an ISD *cough* And if the Empire is facing lets say 3 Venator SD's (3 because we've rarely seen more used by the Republic in one battle except the Battle over Coruscant but even there the Republic only fielded 20 Venator SD's) the Empire would field 2 or even 3 times the number in ISD's plus support craft

Edit: And also Executor Class Star Dreadnought which can field thousands of Tie Fighters

[Empire_TW]

The Empire would win easily.

As someone else stated Stormtroopers not hitting their targets is just a movie thing.

Just about everything in the Imperial arsenal is the direct successor to everything in the Republic's arsenal.

The Empire's wealth is unlimited while if I'm not mistaken the Republic was going bankrupt.

If the Republic loses Kamino the war is basically over. Someone like Thrawn would easily exploit this.

Odds are the Empire has the same amount if not more ships then the Republic.

The Empire has plenty of loyal systems, I don't think popular support would be a factor.

Początkowo opublikowane przez PotatoSmasher:

Not exactly true. I'd vote the Republic winning just due to the fact that they have better fighters and bombers. Plus with thousands of venators carrying 450+ starfighters each they would completely overrun the Empires forces. In Rogue One it just took 3 Y-Wings to take out an Imperial Star Destroyer! Also, the Venator would not be like a WWII carrier. It has superior fighters and superior number of fighters to that of a victory class.

That depends on what each side has access to, TIE Defenders are superior to ARC 170s, V-Wings, and Z-95 head hunters. Star Destroyers could also just demolish a Venator and just hyperspace away. The Empire could also just board the venator, which going by the movies they seem to do alot and in the clone wars the clones weren't exaclty the best at fending off boarders. The Emprie could just steal the venators and fill them TIEs.

[leewooboi]

good piont's, but the thing is, all the republic ships had sheilds, compared to most TIE variant's. Also, the republic has trillions of ships, compared to the empire. and while the venators are older, only ONE was able destroy the "Malevolence" after broadsiding it. and, lets face it, in "the clone wars" the clones where hampered down so that they would be more even with the droid's. They were also WAY better pilot's. In the movie's (which is what i'm going by) one clone could kill 20 droids on his own without being hit. Also, the victory one's are a match for ISD's if there are enough. and finally the mandator class. while its no ISSD, it can easly take down a ISD in a few minutes flat. also, if there were two broadsiding a ISSD on either side, the two could take it down easly.

[Dracuwyrm]

Here's the big problem with the Empire in the Original Trilogy and Rogue One. They rely on Star Destroyers so heavily, and their TIEs generally suck against X-wings and the fast and deadly ships of the Rebellion. The Republic uses starfighters heavily, to the point where their main capital ship is a carrier in itself. ARC-170s and other fighters would make quick work of Imperial fleets. However, we need to address the existance of people such as Tarkin (Both Republic and Empire), and Grand Admiral Thrawn. If it were a simple space battle, the Republic would certainly win. In an all-out war, that's a much harder debate to solve.

[leewooboi]

true, but if you read "The Outbound Flight," then you would know that Thrawn was also part of the republic

[leewooboi]

besides, at the height of the empire they only had 25,000 star destroyers compared to the republic's estimated 3-6 million venator-class star destroyers, 15-20 million acclimator-class star destroyers, 10-30 thousand victory I-class star destroyers, and 6-10 mandator-class star-dreadnaughts

[CasualGerman]

Początkowo opublikowane przez leemcmillian-goodman:

besides, at the height of the empire they only had 25,000 star destroyers compared to the republic's estimated 3-6 million venator-class star destroyers, 15-20 million acclimator-class star destroyers, 10-30 thousand victory I-class star destroyers, and 6-10 mandator-class star-dreadnaughts

You just pulled that number out of your ass (the only mention of ship numbers for the Republic are that the Republic ordered just a thousand of the Acclamators after the Battle of Geonosis) the Republic had a smaller Empire to defend and less Resources and lets just remember the Empire had the Republics Ships after Order 66 (And they probably didnt scrap every little ship) and lets assume if by your estimation the Republic had +18 Million Ships the Empire does too (oh and if we go by Lore the Republic had not one Mandator it was just mentioned that a ship named Mandator Class existed)

[CasualGerman]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dracuwyrm:

Here's the big problem with the Empire in the Original Trilogy and Rogue One. They rely on Star Destroyers so heavily, and their TIEs generally suck against X-wings and the fast and deadly ships of the Rebellion. The Republic uses starfighters heavily, to the point where their main capital ship is a carrier in itself. ARC-170s and other fighters would make quick work of Imperial fleets. However, we need to address the existance of people such as Tarkin (Both Republic and Empire), and Grand Admiral Thrawn. If it were a simple space battle, the Republic would certainly win. In an all-out war, that's a much harder debate to solve.

The Empire Would just Jump in kill the Venators (because lets be honest they are ♥♥♥♥ Capital Ships they loose against Frigates) and then Jump out why would they stay to fight the Fighter Compliment?

[Úlfheðinn]

boi its obvious GAR would win simply because the Clones where made for combat and stormtroopers werent bred for this like clone if both would have access to latest gen ships in SW Universe defenitly the republic or GAR would win simply due to better soldiers
For the fighter issue Fighters are more efficent than captial ships fighters come disable the engine and shields and then u can say bye bye to ur capital ship also the late repbulic had also access to Mandator Class and Mandator II class which can still destroy a fleet of around 2 to 3 ISDs also there where different ships than the Venator we just didnt see them in the series.
Examples
Maelstrom-class battle cruiser
Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser
Tector-class Star Destroyer
and even ISDs where produces by the republic so meh Repblic would defenitly win.

[CasualGerman]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Úlfhéðnar:

boi its obvious GAR would win simply because the Clones where made for combat and stormtroopers werent bred for this like clone if both would have access to latest gen ships in SW Universe defenitly the republic or GAR would win simply due to better soldiers
For the fighter issue Fighters are more efficent than captial ships fighters come disable the engine and shields and then u can say bye bye to ur capital ship also the late repbulic had also access to Mandator Class and Mandator II class which can still destroy a fleet of around 2 to 3 ISDs also there where different ships than the Venator we just didnt see them in the series.
Examples
Maelstrom-class battle cruiser
Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser
Tector-class Star Destroyer
and even ISDs where produces by the republic so meh Repblic would defenitly win.

Mandator Class = Not canon doesnt count
Maelstrom Class = Not canon doesnt count
Praetor Class =Not canon doesnt count (also wasnt used by the Republic but by the Empire)
Tector Class = Not canon doesnt count (also wasnt used by the Republic)

And if we go into legends territory it would look even worse for the Republic even with Mandators because now the Empire has those Ships that you mentioned and atleast 13 Executor Class Super Star Destroyers, the galaxy gun, The Eclipse, The Conqueror, The Sun Crusher and the World Devastator and many more. and thats just Superweapons

[Arkenthrawn]

Empire no question...

[leewooboi]

And if we go into legends territory it would look even worse for the Republic even with Mandators because now the Empire has those Ships that you mentioned and atleast 13 Executor Class Super Star Destroyers, the galaxy gun, The Eclipse, The Conqueror, The Sun Crusher and the World Devastator and many more. and thats just Superweapons


BOI IF ITS MENTIONED IN CANNON, THAT MEANS IT EXISTS IN THE CANNON UNIVERSE AND WHEN DO WE HEAR ABOUT THE SUN CRUSHER? NOT ONCE! WHEN DO WE HEAR ABOUT THE WORLD DEVISTATOR? NOT ONCE!! AND WHEN DO WE HEAR ABOUTH THE ECLIPSE!?! NOT. ONCE. SO GET IT STRAIGHT NEXT TIME!!!!