The Last Jedi is a colossal strategic f**k up (spoilers ahead)

[Pyrimidal]

Posting this here just cause you guys are actual fans of the franchise, unlike all the butt-sucking disney fanboys/girls. Here's all the issues I have with The Last Jedi:

1. Where the hell are the First Order's support ships? Who's bright idea was it to have 5 capital ships and a dreadnaught? They literally just disregarded basic fleet composition, told corvettes, frigates, and cruisers to f**k off and gathered the biggest, meanest, and slowest ships they possible could. (Has been discussed, see page 1 / 2 of comments.)

2. How exactly does a dreadnaught's surface defenses get destroyed by ONE X-WING FIGHTER? Also, why exactly did they not launch their tie-fighters against the X-wings? And why the hell didn't they destroy the rebel ships first? It's literally this simple : Blow up their cruisers/frigates or anything with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hyperdrive, and their transport ships can't go anywhere. (Has been discussed, see page 2 / 3 of comments)

3. During the chase, WHERE THE HELL WERE THE TIE FIGHTERS? There were literally at least 5 capital ships plus a dreadnaught, all carrying their own tie fighters. So why exactly is it so hard for them to swarm the remaining frigates/cruisers? Literally Kylo and his 2 tie fighters were able to devestate the Rebel cruiser (although I still think it's a Mon-Cala capital ship). Is it so hard to get Kylo to lead a swarm of tie fighters and overwhelm the ship? Another thing is : Where the hell are the tie bombers? Or did Disney just decide it was too much work to have designated fighters and just decide to give tie fighters the ability to bomb ships?

4. Wtf was that transmission with the orange apricot-looking thing (I think her name was something like Mazda)? It was like she just had a communicator floating around her the whole time. (already been discussed on page 1 / 2)

5. Why did the dreadnaughts not have massive firepower capabilities in terms of ship-to-ship combat? Literally dreadnaughts are meant to decimate enemy capital ships, not bomb enemy bases. And you can do a freaking orbital bombardment if you want to destroy a base, or do a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ground invasion. (already been discussed)

6. Disney preaches about the balance between the force and when Rey actually seeks out the dark side it's downplayed to all hell. If there's balance, that means there must be an equal power in the dark side compared to the light. Therefore, the dark side should have the same capabilities as the light, but instead the light seems to be massively overpowered.

7. How exactly does Rey go from not even knowing what the force is to mastering it within a few days? It took Obiwan a massive amount of time to become a skilled fighter, took Anakain years, and took Luke training under both Obiwan AND Yoda, along with training for a few years. And then comes Rey, the "muy vuginuh" femenist character who somehow defies everything from the past and masters the force in a few days. Also, another example is Ezra who took quite a bit of time to be able to properly use the force, and he still isn't a match for a sith lord. He can barely hold his own against inquisitors. (has been discussed)

8. Luke screwing up at one moment = Crippling depression? Seriously? (been discussed)

Honestly the only thing Disney is doing to Star Wars at this point is milking it for cash. The only reason they're getting away with this is by a) bribing critics, and b) relying on the stupidity of the masses to keep the franchise earning. The movie itself was terrible; it was full of cliches, terrible action sequences, horrific acting, and loads upon loads of mistakes. I honestly think everything post-Disney acclaimation should be rendered non-canon, and everything pre-Disney should become the new cannon.

EDIT : I said what's already been discussed so that newcomers don't ask the same questions as others.

[DJ]

Originally posted by Silverstrike:

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

I'm pretty sure those were B-wing bombers, which btw were in EaW

Definetly not B-wings. B-wings didn't have the capability to destroy a friggin dreadnaught. Plus, while B-wings had 2 large perpendicular wings and 2 small perpendicular wings, these bombers had 1 large bottom wing and 3 small wings.

Hm...ok so...newer version of the B-wing? Maybe, I dunno. But (Im pretty sure that) they were able to blow the whole ship up because they hit a highly explosive 'weak point' that blew up everything else, so (Im pretty sure that) it does make sense. Too bad the plotline sucks anyways

[Pyrimidal]

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

Originally posted by Silverstrike:

Definetly not B-wings. B-wings didn't have the capability to destroy a friggin dreadnaught. Plus, while B-wings had 2 large perpendicular wings and 2 small perpendicular wings, these bombers had 1 large bottom wing and 3 small wings.

Hm...ok so...newer version of the B-wing? Maybe, I dunno. But (Im pretty sure that) they were able to blow the whole ship up because they hit a highly explosive 'weak point' that blew up everything else, so (Im pretty sure that) it does make sense. Too bad the plotline sucks anyways

I'd have to say they were cargo ships that were filled up with bombs. Just look at the poor design... 1 stray trigger and they all explode. They even need a remote control to release them whereas the majority of bombers could release them from the cockpit. Anyways yeah, plotline was terrible.

[minetime43]

also the scene where the surpremicy got hpyerspeed rammed was stupid

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by minetime43:

also the scene where the surpremicy got hpyerspeed rammed was stupid

Not really

[black mesa security]

Originally posted by Silverstrike:

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

Hm...ok so...newer version of the B-wing? Maybe, I dunno. But (Im pretty sure that) they were able to blow the whole ship up because they hit a highly explosive 'weak point' that blew up everything else, so (Im pretty sure that) it does make sense. Too bad the plotline sucks anyways

I'd have to say they were cargo ships that were filled up with bombs. Just look at the poor design... 1 stray trigger and they all explode. They even need a remote control to release them whereas the majority of bombers could release them from the cockpit. Anyways yeah, plotline was terrible.

these are bombers i was talking about the ones from the last jedi why would anyone make a bomber as slow and as big as a nebulon b frigate and im still wondering were are all the y wings

[DJ]

Originally posted by AAC-1:

Originally posted by Silverstrike:

I'd have to say they were cargo ships that were filled up with bombs. Just look at the poor design... 1 stray trigger and they all explode. They even need a remote control to release them whereas the majority of bombers could release them from the cockpit. Anyways yeah, plotline was terrible.

these are bombers i was talking about the ones from the last jedi why would anyone make a bomber as slow and as big as a nebulon b frigate and im still wondering were are all the y wings

One person already suggested they could have been cargo ships reworked to be bombers. Also it could be the Y-wings are outdated and they now have bombers that yes are slower but drop a crap ton at once

[minetime43]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Originally posted by minetime43:

also the scene where the surpremicy got hpyerspeed rammed was stupid

Not really

Yes
Why not just attach a r2 unit to a Astroid and a hyperdrive

Durf stur x

[black mesa security]

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

Originally posted by AAC-1:

these are bombers i was talking about the ones from the last jedi why would anyone make a bomber as slow and as big as a nebulon b frigate and im still wondering were are all the y wings

One person already suggested they could have been cargo ships reworked to be bombers. Also it could be the Y-wings are outdated and they now have bombers that yes are slower but drop a crap ton at once

it just dosent make sense to have a bomber as big as capital ship it would draw all the fire also why would they make a newer version of a x wing but not a y wing

[black mesa security]

also it was kinda stupid how the new republic was destroyed in a blink of an eye i mean sure they did blow up there capital but theres no way all there war ships would be parked there

[Hereticus]

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

Originally posted by AAC-1:

these are bombers i was talking about the ones from the last jedi why would anyone make a bomber as slow and as big as a nebulon b frigate and im still wondering were are all the y wings

One person already suggested they could have been cargo ships reworked to be bombers. Also it could be the Y-wings are outdated and they now have bombers that yes are slower but drop a crap ton at once

The Bombers the Resistance used in TLJ are called MG-100 Star Fortress SF-17
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/MG-100_StarFortress_SF-17

They were slower because they were bigger and carried a larger payload.

Think real world equivilency to WW2' B-17 Flying Fortress. Why do we use B-17' instead of Fighter/Bombers? Because they carry a larger payload for doing damage and have a greater deployment range then typical strikecraft (They can fly farther and for longer periods of time).

Don't think too hard about it being slow in space... Strikecraft are faster then capital ships because astral & planetary gravity wells having a more signifigant impact on larger vessels.

[black mesa security]

Originally posted by Hereticus:

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

One person already suggested they could have been cargo ships reworked to be bombers. Also it could be the Y-wings are outdated and they now have bombers that yes are slower but drop a crap ton at once

The Bombers the Resistance used in TLJ are called MG-100 Star Fortress SF-17
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/MG-100_StarFortress_SF-17

They were slower because they were bigger and carried a larger payload.

Think real world equivilency to WW2' B-17 Flying Fortress. Why do we use B-17' instead of Fighter/Bombers? Because they carry a larger payload for doing damage and have a greater deployment range then typical strikecraft (They can fly farther and for longer periods of time).

Don't think too hard about it being slow in space... Strikecraft are faster then capital ships because astral & planetary gravity wells having a more signifigant impact on larger vessels.

didnt almost all of them get destroyed in a freak acident involveing a tie fighter

[Lord Lard Arse]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Originally posted by minetime43:

also the scene where the surpremicy got hpyerspeed rammed was stupid

Not really

Oh it was.

Think about it.

The SW galaxy has had hyperdrive for thousands of years. Ramming bigger ships at speed would have been one of the first tactics used in any space combat. It's reasonable to assume that the reason civilisations invest in large ships is because they can defend against such an obvious brute force attack. Shields! At any speed the Resistance ship should have just disintegrated against them.

Unfortunately if lightspeed ramming is now a thing then that retroactively screws up Eps 4 and 6. No need at all for Death Star trench / reactor runs when you can just deliver catastrophic damage with a couple of lightspeed ram ships.

[Hereticus]

Originally posted by grumpymcscott:

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Not really

Oh it was.

Think about it.

The SW galaxy has had hyperdrive for thousands of years. Ramming bigger ships at speed would have been one of the first tactics used in any space combat. It's reasonable to assume that the reason civilisations invest in large ships is because they can defend against such an obvious brute force attack. Shields! At any speed the Resistance ship should have just disintegrated against them.

Unfortunately if lightspeed ramming is now a thing then that retroactively screws up Eps 4 and 6. No need at all for Death Star trench / reactor runs when you can just deliver catastrophic damage with a couple of lightspeed ram ships.

SW Legends has danced with the idea of Hyperspace being used offensively, Chief of which with the Galaxy Gun where the projectile (a literal bomb) was hurled through Hyperspace.

Battle for Endor, A-Wing interceptor crashes into Executor Star Dreadnaught.

Point is hyperspace or not, Raming has long always been a option in Naval Battles, It’s nothing new, certainly not to Star Wars.

What prevents people from adopting & standardizing this strategy?

- First and formost Shielding.
The Force Awakens set a precedent about Shielding having a “fractional refresh rate” that keeps anything slower then Lightspeed from getting through.

- Not Cost Effective.
Ships are too expensive. 1 for 1 attrition rate ruins you more then it benefits you, The cost goes up with the need for profficient engineers who can override safety protocols with navi-computers or droids.

- Size Matters:
At Endor the A-Wing didin’t destroy the Executor, Gravity did. Think of the A-Wings sacrifice like pocket-sand against a giant. The crew could not wrestle back the bridges lost command & navigation intime to save their vessel.

Only a ship of sufficient size could hope to nock out a larger ship, The bigger the sacrifice the more expensive it is to replace. The Galactic Empire clearly had more capital to replace its ships where the Rebels were pinching pennys to buy yesteryears junks.

- Gravity Well Generators:
By the time of the GCW this technology was a thing albeit not intended for negating Hyperspace-Raming but in theory it could be adapted as such a counter-measure.

[Maul]

JUST STFU AND MOVE THIS TO S*ITTY DISCUSSION TO REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luftwaffle]

Originally posted by Strider:

JUST STFU AND MOVE THIS TO S*ITTY DISCUSSION TO REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just stfu and unsubscribe tho, no offense :P