why super spirit bomb is best

[FeelingFuzzied]

TLDR: use these 4 skills. maximum charge, super spirit bomb, special beam cannon...and the z soul for super spirit bomb. if you dont get it, read ahead or stay clueless :P

for PVE (possibly)

this is for people who dont have, or havent really played with it in depth.

for this example i used my female ki user with 6 ki bars and 100 ki blast (4 star costume)

i have the z soul equipped as well. i strongly suggest using it. im going to list why i believe this is the best "lazy" skill to use in PVE.

1-its long animation time-but absin why would that make it a good skill?! well this one is specifically for humans. a human can regen a entire ki bar easily during its animation and "stun". During this time you are immune, and in fact while the animation is going on you can either fire ANOTHER super spirit bomb, a different skill entirely, or use maximum charge to regen more ki. Thats right, due to its long stun and animation time you actually get MORE uptime spamming supers and doing damage and less time getting hit in the face.

2-its large area-its huge, probably the biggest ball in the game. this means it can hit and stun multiple targets. also if someone isnt stunned by it and your worried about them hitting you in the face, simply fly to the other side of hte orb really quick then hit maximum charge...usually the AI is dumb enough to fly into it.

3-its stun...it has a long stun, enough time for you to cast another bomb (the other one will finish casting shortly after the first one finishes its damage) or my personal favorite...follow up with special beam cannon. This combination is just funny. taking a full double hp bar vegito to dead. it also has the added benefit of breaking guard...in case they are blocking the spirit bomb...due note tho, if they are using a evasive...best to just wait a sec.

4-you can cast it and not get hte z soul benefit-you do this by timing your second bomb right after your first, you wont get the z soul buff...i do this on purpose, so i can get hit a few times and generate more ki...meaning with as little as 6 ki bars i can cast up to 4 super spirit bombs back to back without issue. i usually only do this when i get 3 enemies vs me (followers died)

With this skill combination absolutly nothing is hard honestly. super saiyan bargain sale? please, i can /zzzz while farming that. the only one id use a different setup is the bardok escort mission (hercule ultimate all the way).

there are more benefits im sure...and this isnt for anyone. more for people who just want to farm these pq's fast.

[Tsuyara]

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

Publicado originalmente por Tsuyara:

Your Perfect Kamehameha was blocked?! That has never happened in the entirety of me using it. As opposed to Super Spirit bombs. How did it only do partial damage?
I find PK to be the most consistent in terms of damage, does pretty consistent 24 hits (if you have enough fps) and nice accuracy.
I do not see how "downtime" would result in slower pq clearance o,o in fact, the more downtimes you have the faster you will beat them, since you charge ki much faster than you do while in "uptime" and assuming the damage/ki is the same, you will fire overall more ultimates in the same amount of time.

yes mine gets blocked plenty. and even locked at 60 fps it doesnt do consistant damage. sometimes they will get hit initially then kinda...fall outside fo hte beam or something.
simple... if your in a situation where you have to generate KI and you have zero things standing between you and 3 pissed off super saiyan AI's with itchy kameha wave fingers and chain melee....you dont ahve cover. the AI is only good to draw "aggro" by chance. they are simply situational extra hp bars.
ive done both, perhaps i do it in a way other people do not, but super spirit bomb+special beam cannon is FAR faster for me.

I am pretty sure the Perfect Kamehameha is unblockable.
And i have never seen an enemy simply fall out of the beam.
Sure it offers less protection than the super spirit bomb, but that wasn't in question. And your ki will charge very quickly if you are being attacked. I generally use SSB for that invulnerability, but to deal out damage either Assault rain or PK. AR gets blocked like SSB, but you don't have to bother aiming, you can just fire, chains also better into itself.

I don't know of a single ultimate that offers as much consistency as the PK, whith it's high accuracy, large beam, good tracking and fast speed and it being unblockable.

[Doomvora]

SES + SBC or SES + Sympho is an incredibly good combination in PVE. They chain into each other very well, so you can crap out alot of damage through those alone. But i think PK/SoD are better for pve than SSB. But i think it boils down to preference, Pvp is a different story as to whats better obviously.

Obviously DDD is the best skill in the game, because kienzan op ;3

[FeelingFuzzied]

Publicado originalmente por Tsuyara:

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

yes mine gets blocked plenty. and even locked at 60 fps it doesnt do consistant damage. sometimes they will get hit initially then kinda...fall outside fo hte beam or something.
simple... if your in a situation where you have to generate KI and you have zero things standing between you and 3 pissed off super saiyan AI's with itchy kameha wave fingers and chain melee....you dont ahve cover. the AI is only good to draw "aggro" by chance. they are simply situational extra hp bars.
ive done both, perhaps i do it in a way other people do not, but super spirit bomb+special beam cannon is FAR faster for me.

I am pretty sure the Perfect Kamehameha is unblockable.
And i have never seen an enemy simply fall out of the beam.
Sure it offers less protection than the super spirit bomb, but that wasn't in question. And your ki will charge very quickly if you are being attacked. I generally use SSB for that invulnerability, but to deal out damage either Assault rain or PK. AR gets blocked like SSB, but you don't have to bother aiming, you can just fire, chains also better into itself.

I don't know of a single ultimate that offers as much consistency as the PK, whith it's high accuracy, large beam, good tracking and fast speed and it being unblockable.

dont know what to say...i find it lacking by comparison.

[Tsuyara]

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

dont know what to say...i find it lacking by comparison.

Well we could start by the basics:
Why does your PK get blocked?
Why do people fall out of your PK?
I mean these are the most obvious things that come to mind that are objectively different.
Do you have frame-rate issues? I could imagine that they "stutter" out of one.
For the block thing i really got no clue :/

[FeelingFuzzied]

Publicado originalmente por Tsuyara:

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

dont know what to say...i find it lacking by comparison.

Well we could start by the basics:
Why does your PK get blocked?
Why do people fall out of your PK?
I mean these are the most obvious things that come to mind that are objectively different.
Do you have frame-rate issues? I could imagine that they "stutter" out of one.
For the block thing i really got no clue :/

they get blocked because the NPC blocks it

as far as fall out its more like it doesnt hit square...and they get out of it as its not connecting with them squarely.

to my knowledge i have no framerate issues.

i havent experienced it as unblockable.

and yes, before you ask, it is in fact perfect kamehameha :P

[Tsuyara]

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

Publicado originalmente por Tsuyara:

Well we could start by the basics:
Why does your PK get blocked?
Why do people fall out of your PK?
I mean these are the most obvious things that come to mind that are objectively different.
Do you have frame-rate issues? I could imagine that they "stutter" out of one.
For the block thing i really got no clue :/

they get blocked because the NPC blocks it
as far as fall out its more like it doesnt hit square...and they get out of it as its not connecting with them squarely.
to my knowledge i have no framerate issues.
i havent experienced it as unblockable.
and yes, before you ask, it is in fact perfect kamehameha :P

We are talking about the Perfect Kamehameha, the skill that cell gives when finish learning under him? Just want to make sure that this isn't a translation issue :c
Could you maybe film it being blocked? I mean maybe we see where the game starts to bug out and let them block it. This should be fairly easy to trigger if you play offline battles (i remember the pain of trying to get a full hit with a final shine attack and kept blocking it, evading it entirely or it didn't do max hits)
Do you use the build in steam fps counter? If not you could activate that in the settings. Maybe that helps find out where the problem lies.
I have got no clue what you mean with the square thing xD for me it's almost always that if the PK hits, it will fully connect. If you could record this too that would be a big help :c really want to figure this out, you are missing out on a really great skill with those bugs.

[FeelingFuzzied]

Publicado originalmente por Tsuyara:

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

they get blocked because the NPC blocks it
as far as fall out its more like it doesnt hit square...and they get out of it as its not connecting with them squarely.
to my knowledge i have no framerate issues.
i havent experienced it as unblockable.
and yes, before you ask, it is in fact perfect kamehameha :P

We are talking about the Perfect Kamehameha, the skill that cell gives when finish learning under him? Just want to make sure that this isn't a translation issue :c
Could you maybe film it being blocked? I mean maybe we see where the game starts to bug out and let them block it. This should be fairly easy to trigger if you play offline battles (i remember the pain of trying to get a full hit with a final shine attack and kept blocking it, evading it entirely or it didn't do max hits)
Do you use the build in steam fps counter? If not you could activate that in the settings. Maybe that helps find out where the problem lies.
I have got no clue what you mean with the square thing xD for me it's almost always that if the PK hits, it will fully connect. If you could record this too that would be a big help :c really want to figure this out, you are missing out on a really great skill with those bugs.

i am from michigan, i live in oregon currently, no translation issues :P

yes, perfect kamehameha from cell.

i do offline but i do not currently have a way to record it. if you want to give me some software maybe ic an lol.

this is strange. sure it does good damage, and the z soul is nice. however...for me its inconsistant.

ill run the fps counter i guess...think i know where it is.

[Doomvora]

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

i am from michigan, i live in oregon currently, no translation issues :P

yes, perfect kamehameha from cell.

i do offline but i do not currently have a way to record it. if you want to give me some software maybe ic an lol.

this is strange. sure it does good damage, and the z soul is nice. however...for me its inconsistant.

ill run the fps counter i guess...think i know where it is.

Worst case, you could use the steam stream software and show him that way.

[Tsuyara]

Publicado originalmente por Absinthesize:

i am from michigan, i live in oregon currently, no translation issues :P
yes, perfect kamehameha from cell.
i do offline but i do not currently have a way to record it. if you want to give me some software maybe ic an lol.
this is strange. sure it does good damage, and the z soul is nice. however...for me its inconsistant.
ill run the fps counter i guess...think i know where it is.

Well that's exactly what's so weird, for me it does good damage and is really consistent.
I don't have a good software for that :/ i used to use the Open broadcaster software, but it has given me some weird results with the timing (buffer frames and stuff).

Publicado originalmente por Zhang Chunhua:

Worst case, you could use the steam stream software and show her that way.

Think it's worth a try.

[FeelingFuzzied]

so just tried it, i had 3 seperate occasions where i only ticked a few points of damage and the enemy "popped" out. no evasive. i didnt have anyone block it tho. the only time ive seen one block it was goku super saiyan 3 and only while not using the special z soul i believe. don tknow if that makes a difference.

that and because of the fast animation and no cover i took a lot more damage in my "downtime". i didnt have to pop a capsule but i was under 50% hp.

this is why i like super spirit bomb more. i can lock them in and provide myself cover with the bomb itself...results in faster progression. i could use PK in palce of special beam cannon but i find the faster activation speed of SBC makes it much easier to line up WITH super spirit bomb.

my framrerate was about 55 during the "pop outs"

[Rolando Zolo]

i use to like super spirit bomb but i find its accuracy is ♥♥♥♥ and contray to what you stated i was being hit, hurt and often stunned while casting on my SSJ.

i swapped to special beam for heavy damage and final flash with vegeta z soul for my unstopable ssj spam combo move.

[Doomvora]

Publicado originalmente por Hellfire:

i use to like super spirit bomb but i find its accuracy is ♥♥♥♥ and contray to what you stated i was being hit, hurt and often stunned while casting on my SSJ.

i swapped to special beam for heavy damage and final flash with vegeta z soul for my unstopable ssj spam combo move.

You need the z-soul associated with it to not get stunned out of it.