Super Spirit Bomb

[emperorehryn]

Is it worth grinding for? I got the z-soul that says it makes it more powerful, and also makes me invincible while it's in use. Would it be worth creating a build around that one move?

[Shan]

Ki-build Saiyan -> use Super Vegeta + Super Spirit Bomb + Z-Soul = tons of PvE wins.

[DigitalTamerAkira]

its good with the no damage cause immunity to spirit bomb. but AI'A (NOT ONES you choose but pre set AI for pq) tend to punch them out of spirt bombs ways and the SB its self takes along time to charge. its good for clearing out more then one at time.

but still the best ultimate for pve remains

Ki-build saiyan/humans-> Super vegeta 2 +Perfect kamehameha + super saiyan bargain sale (makes the ssj form last alot longer) and Cell as master for the master boost

[Veya]

Originally posted by Ookami:

Ki-build saiyan/humans-> Super vegeta 2 +Perfect kamehameha + super saiyan bargain sale (makes the ssj form last alot longer) and Cell as master for the master boost

See, on my experience, Perfect Kamehameha isn't a very good move, at all.

I did some testing, and on ideal conditions(100 Ki Supers, Super Vegeta 2, full Vegito outfit, I am Super Vegeto Z-soul for an additional 5 in Ki Supers) and running on 30 FPS to avoid any glitches, Perfect Kamehameha dealt 1414 damage at absolute most on 11 hits when Z-assisted, by comparision, Saiyan Spirit dealt 1136 damage on a perfect execution, Final Shine dealt 1736 on max hits, and Special Beam Cannon dealt stunning 2031 damage when Z-assisted, the comparision of Perfect Kamehameha and Special Beam Cannon, Special Beam Cannon is faster to cast, also unblockable, and doesn't deal with multiple hits or variating damage, on those same conditions, it will always deal the same damage, and on personal opinion, Special Beam Cannon is a much cooler move.

So either Perfect Kamehameha is a pretty bad Master move, or Special Beam Cannon is an aberration of nature.

[EDIPS]

So either Perfect Kamehameha is a pretty bad Master move, or Special Beam Cannon is an aberration of nature.

everything is better then perfect kamehameha even super kamahameha has a much faster animation and deals slightly more damage as well as final flash. but ur right special beam cannon is the MVP when it comes to wave ultimates when u wanna use *balls* super vanishing ball, death ball and maybe this ultimate of beerus are the best to go

[EDIPS]

and btw super spirit ball isnt worth grinding at all... i farmed this for hours and when i finally got it i was just super diapointed. even with the goku z soul the dmg on this is pretty low and the animation takes like forever so when u use it on a sayan ur running out of ki after to balls just because the animation takes so long. super vanishing/deathball/beerus and freeza ultimate do more damage and have faster animation ( super vaninishing has the fastest)

[DigitalTamerAkira]

sorry but i find it odd i have same outfit. not same z-soul cause face it vegitos z-soul sucks its not even with the 5 plus when your ssj runs out. thats why i use super saiyan bargin sale. but i tested your theory with vegitos. your missing the point damage means nothing if you cant hit them. and final flash hits more enemys yes dose less damage then perfect kamehameha. dont know were you got that it dose and i have 100 in ki blast damage. with vegitos outfit. and that vegito z-soul.

perfect kamehameha also fires faster then super kamehameha there for is the better one to use. its not all about power and the game throws out random numbers all the time. final flash is good for sniping bacause of its range but its fire time is about same as perfect kamehameha but ais tend to avoid it alot more.

point of topic is best for pve. not best damage of ultimates.

that means using right gear and z-soul to benfite and right ultimate to do it

perfect kamehameha is between final flash and super kamehameha for damage.

it charges alot faster and is good range. add in super saiyan bargin sale Z soul if your a SAIYAN. + vegitos outfit you never run out of ssj2 because the drain of ki is reduced you can spam the hell out nay ultimate and charge when needed.

[Cedarstripe]

Originally posted by Veya:

See, on my experience, Perfect Kamehameha isn't a very good move, at all.

Well, the real beauty with the Perfect Kamehameha is that you're literally invincible from all forms of damage throughout its animation and for about 1 second after it is completely over. Making it pretty hilarious to use in ultimate vs ultimate situations.

[Moonfang]

Originally posted by EDIP:

So either Perfect Kamehameha is a pretty bad Master move, or Special Beam Cannon is an aberration of nature.

everything is better then perfect kamehameha even super kamahameha has a much faster animation and deals slightly more damage as well as final flash.

what?
and Z soul + super spirit bomb is OP in PvE

[achthenuts]

Super Spirit Bomb takes longer to hit, hardly suggest for fast ki spam quest.

[Tsuyara]

Originally posted by Veya:

Originally posted by Ookami:

Ki-build saiyan/humans-> Super vegeta 2 +Perfect kamehameha + super saiyan bargain sale (makes the ssj form last alot longer) and Cell as master for the master boost

See, on my experience, Perfect Kamehameha isn't a very good move, at all.
I did some testing, and on ideal conditions(100 Ki Supers, Super Vegeta 2, full Vegito outfit, I am Super Vegeto Z-soul for an additional 5 in Ki Supers) and running on 30 FPS to avoid any glitches, Perfect Kamehameha dealt 1414 damage at absolute most on 11 hits when Z-assisted, by comparision, Saiyan Spirit dealt 1136 damage on a perfect execution, Final Shine dealt 1736 on max hits, and Special Beam Cannon dealt stunning 2031 damage when Z-assisted, the comparision of Perfect Kamehameha and Special Beam Cannon, Special Beam Cannon is faster to cast, also unblockable, and doesn't deal with multiple hits or variating damage, on those same conditions, it will always deal the same damage, and on personal opinion, Special Beam Cannon is a much cooler move.
So either Perfect Kamehameha is a pretty bad Master move, or Special Beam Cannon is an aberration of nature.

Testing it at 30fps was the problem ^^ in my test i got 18 hits with it at 30 and 24 at 60 (it did 24 in my 100-150fps test too), it did more damage than special beam cannon and final shine at 60. PK doesn't vary either at constant FPS, it's unblockable and has high accuracy along with armor.

[FeelingFuzzied]

the reason i liked it was purely for PVE

the animation is enough time for me to refil 1 bar of ki (earthling)

it gives me damage immunity

can hit multiple targets easily

does good damage (im not gonna say omg amazing or omg bad, but good slid damage)

basically i use this setup and can force my way thru any pq out there...pq 47? pffft please, i can do it in my sleep with that setup.

but its not hte only setup capable of such feats.

perfect kamehameha+cell z soul that makes you invulnerable to damage works well. its decent damage. but hard to hit multiple targets, i also dont regen a full ki bar off of it.

super kamikaze ghost attack makes you incorporeal during its animation, and PVE ai usually isnt smart enough to avoid it

tien z soul that makes all kamehameha moves pass thru you is nice for pq 47

but in the end imo super spirit bomb is fundamentally the best option. also partially due to the duration...tho the long wind up animation is annoying after awhile.


this is how i rate it for PVE

super spirit bomb>perfect kamehameha

but both work well.

[FeelingFuzzied]

Originally posted by Tsuyara:

Originally posted by Veya:

See, on my experience, Perfect Kamehameha isn't a very good move, at all.
I did some testing, and on ideal conditions(100 Ki Supers, Super Vegeta 2, full Vegito outfit, I am Super Vegeto Z-soul for an additional 5 in Ki Supers) and running on 30 FPS to avoid any glitches, Perfect Kamehameha dealt 1414 damage at absolute most on 11 hits when Z-assisted, by comparision, Saiyan Spirit dealt 1136 damage on a perfect execution, Final Shine dealt 1736 on max hits, and Special Beam Cannon dealt stunning 2031 damage when Z-assisted, the comparision of Perfect Kamehameha and Special Beam Cannon, Special Beam Cannon is faster to cast, also unblockable, and doesn't deal with multiple hits or variating damage, on those same conditions, it will always deal the same damage, and on personal opinion, Special Beam Cannon is a much cooler move.
So either Perfect Kamehameha is a pretty bad Master move, or Special Beam Cannon is an aberration of nature.

Testing it at 30fps was the problem ^^ in my test i got 18 hits with it at 30 and 24 at 60 (it did 24 in my 100-150fps test too), it did more damage than special beam cannon and final shine at 60. PK doesn't vary either at constant FPS, it's unblockable and has high accuracy along with armor.

i really hope they do something about this fps bug

id even settle for locking the game at 30 fps at this point

i lock mine at 30 fps to have a "true" experience that and i dont want the wonky bugs that cna occur, such as more hits like described.

[Tsuyara]

Originally posted by Absinthesize:

Originally posted by Tsuyara:

Testing it at 30fps was the problem ^^ in my test i got 18 hits with it at 30 and 24 at 60 (it did 24 in my 100-150fps test too), it did more damage than special beam cannon and final shine at 60. PK doesn't vary either at constant FPS, it's unblockable and has high accuracy along with armor.

i really hope they do something about this fps bug

id even settle for locking the game at 30 fps at this point

i lock mine at 30 fps to have a "true" experience that and i dont want the wonky bugs that cna occur, such as more hits like described.

I wouldn't call it "true" experience :c it seems as if PK is supposed to do 24 hits since that's consistent from 60-150 while it only has less at lower. Gets more weird with the FSA which loses hits the higher the fps gets but requires less ki.
Well would really like them to fix the fps bug, but i wouldn't like to have to play at 30 fps ,-, feels so stuttery then.

[FeelingFuzzied]

Originally posted by Tsuyara:

Originally posted by Absinthesize:

i really hope they do something about this fps bug

id even settle for locking the game at 30 fps at this point

i lock mine at 30 fps to have a "true" experience that and i dont want the wonky bugs that cna occur, such as more hits like described.

I wouldn't call it "true" experience :c it seems as if PK is supposed to do 24 hits since that's consistent from 60-150 while it only has less at lower. Gets more weird with the FSA which loses hits the higher the fps gets but requires less ki.
Well would really like them to fix the fps bug, but i wouldn't like to have to play at 30 fps ,-, feels so stuttery then.

hmm check with ps4/xbone versions, if theres cap at 24 then there is a more severe bug then simply fps.

[Veya]

Okay, so I checked with a friend that is over at PS4, he could not get above 18 hits, so 24 hits is definitelly a byproduct of the move benefiting from the game not knowing what to do with 60-150 FPS.