Namekian Wish Requested by SS Goku?

[Tsuruugi]

If he had wished for all the people that Frieza killed, how come the planet Vegeta and the whole Saiyan Race was not brought back?

I was thinking of another theory also; Remember when they wanted to wish Goku back, but King Kai said that since Namek was destroyed, it would just wish for Goku to come back to empty space and die all over again... Was that the case with this wish? Were the Saiyans brought back with that wish but since there was not Planet Vegeta, they died again?

Or was the wish specific to those who were killed by Frieza ON planet Namek?

[Elerium-115]

Or maybe the Saiyans WERE brought back... and immediately died again... just off camera

..funny enough this IS a possibility as Bulma stated that wishing back Goku from planet Namek's destruction would mean his body would go to planet Namek -which is destroyed- so he'd be wished into space.. to die again, so ergo wishing him back was a no go according to Shenron. All Saiyans died on the destroyed planet Vegeta so guess where'd they end back up? :P

[Veya]

Elerium-115님이 먼저 게시:

I'm guessing Shenron is aware of a person's moral alignment and actually tweaks his wishes depending if you're good or evil for example Pilaf's youth wish in BoG or actually "hearing" Goten's mental wish "that dad was here" in the Broly movie if you count that canon, so good people have a slightly more beneficial leniency towards them in terms of them being wished back as opposed to Frieza who was literally "brought back" as described, lol

That would actually make a lot of sense, specially when you consider that Shenron's original creator, Kami, was literally pure good due to splitting from Piccolo.

Kloud60FPS님이 먼저 게시:

Also, wasn't New Namek created with the wish from the dragonball, then all of the Namekians on Earth where transported onto it? So why couldn't they ever thought about wishing for a new Vegeta, and then for the revival of the Saiyan Race?

The problem with wising Planet Vegeta and all Saiyans back is... Saiyans have a natural bloodlust, that bloodlust is very visible even on Goku, so if they were to wish them all back, then what? you'd suddenly have millions, perhaps billions of bloodthirsty warriors, and with only 5 good Saiyans left alive, and only one(Vegeta) that would have a real reason to want the Saiyans back, who would prevent them from going rogue and wrecking havoc across the galaxy?

[Elerium-115]

Hm, just reading that Revival of F bit, Shenron states "That person's body had been reduced to such small fragments that a full ressurection is impossible. There would be no point to returning his soul to a body like that."

So, maybe it's influenced by a combination of time as well- the longer that time goes by, the more "imperfect" the revival is in relation to Shenron's power until it's probably not possible at all (as was the case with the old, unupgraded Shenron)

So I'm guessing factors are:

1) Time since initial death
2) Shenron's power (initially one year since Dende upgraded the Dragonballs)
3) Good/Evil alignment influencing the wish with a leniency towards good
4) Phrasing e.g. "immortality" is considered an "evil" wish, yet it's hard to work around "give me eternal life" in any other way- so that might also have to do something with it. Although, if you give Shenron some way of interpreting your wish, it would probably be more inclined towards good.

[blackguard3]

Short version, the dragon's power can bring back people that died in the span of one year. Or how a buddy said it: "The dragon has no power to fis plow holes!" ... Cuz' you know...It's been explained for the 1 year thing during the cell games, waaay after the Freiza saga.

[KiraTsukasa]

Elerium-115님이 먼저 게시:

Or maybe the Saiyans WERE brought back... and immediately died again... just off camera

..funny enough this IS a possibility as Bulma stated that wishing back Goku from planet Namek's destruction would mean his body would go to planet Namek -which is destroyed- so he'd be wished into space.. to die again, so ergo wishing him back was a no go according to Shenron. All Saiyans died on the destroyed planet Vegeta so guess where'd they end back up? :P

Actually, Shenron couldn't bring Goku back to life because he wasn't dead.

[rundom]

Guys you forget that Shenron (not the Dende upgraded one), could transfer a soul first to res wherever you want. It was tried with Goku after the Frieza saga and Shenron would have pulled it off, but as KiraTsukasa said Goku was alive.

The only prob as mentioned is time.

[Elerium-115]

KiraTsukasa님이 먼저 게시:

Actually, Shenron couldn't bring Goku back to life because he wasn't dead.

Obviously as this was made more clear later on :P

But rewatch the scene where Bulma, the Nameks, Vegeta, Picollo and Gohan are on Earth, it's mentioned there.

Although to be fair wishing him back then quickly saying "I wish for that guy in space to be brought back here" is still an.. option? Unless Shenron just flat outright refuses if he considers suffering (which he probably does as he cannot wish to "kill" someone or take life).

[KiraTsukasa]

Elerium-115님이 먼저 게시:

KiraTsukasa님이 먼저 게시:

Actually, Shenron couldn't bring Goku back to life because he wasn't dead.

Obviously as this was made more clear later on :P

But rewatch the scene where Bulma, the Nameks, Vegeta, Picollo and Gohan are on Earth, it's mentioned there.

I remember it. They tried to bring Goku back to life which Shenron stated couldn't be done because he "couldn't bring back one who is not dead" then they tried to have Shenron move Goku to Earth which also couldn't be done because Goku didn't want to return just yet as he was training on another planet (where he learned Instant Transmission).

[Elerium-115]

Still feels a bit ambiguous there though, if say he did die as was originally penned on Namek, would Shenron have granted the wish knowing he'd be poofed into space as to what Bulma was surmising? No idea. They still tried it anyway though to which we learn he's actually alive, so it makes Goku's ressurection wish redundant but still possibly applicable to other things that have died on destroyed planets.

Of course, Goku being alive is more of an information tool to us viewers and the other characters: "Yep, Goku's still actually alive, uh, he's a bit busy right now".

[Makkura]

Veya님이 먼저 게시:

who would prevent them from going rogue and wrecking havoc across the galaxy?

The love to their prince of now more than 2 and 3 half saiyans of course.

[Veya]

Makura님이 먼저 게시:

Veya님이 먼저 게시:

who would prevent them from going rogue and wrecking havoc across the galaxy?

The love to their prince of now more than 2 and 3 half saiyans of course.

Strictly speaking, shouldn't Vegeta be considered a king if he ever offically married Bulma? which in turn would make Bra and Trunks the princess and prince of all Saiyans, respectivelly.

Plus, I think the moment Vegeta told them to step down and try to love peacefully, 90% of them would see that as Vegeta going soft for living on Earth(which kinda happened, even if it was a genuinelly good thing that he went soft), and with the knowledge that Super Saiyan is real instead of being just a legend, more and more Saiyans would have a reason to pursue that, one way or another, bringing all Saiyans back is just a massive Pandora's box, one that shouldn't be opened unless you are sure you can handle the whole situation.

[Taran Tatsuuchi]

Veya님이 먼저 게시:

Makura님이 먼저 게시:

The love to their prince of now more than 2 and 3 half saiyans of course.

Strictly speaking, shouldn't Vegeta be considered a king if he ever offically married Bulma? which in turn would make Bra and Trunks the princess and prince of all Saiyans, respectivelly.

Plus, I think the moment Vegeta told them to step down and try to love peacefully, 90% of them would see that as Vegeta going soft for living on Earth(which kinda happened, even if it was a genuinelly good thing that he went soft), and with the knowledge that Super Saiyan is real instead of being just a legend, more and more Saiyans would have a reason to pursue that, one way or another, bringing all Saiyans back is just a massive Pandora's box, one that shouldn't be opened unless you are sure you can handle the whole situation.

Like perhaps some sort of Saiyan God? Kappa

[Makkura]

We actually don't know a lot about the Saiyans though, do we? The only actual Saiyan Conflict we know of was the Saiyan-Tuffle war, and irrc those tuffles have been not been nice hosts (that may be a victors story, but alas, nobody can tell us something different). All other information we have are based on a Freezer subjugated race, which might had rustled some jimmies for some saiyans and put them on the aggresive side.
I mean, look at what the treaty of versailles did after the first world war...

[Shahadem]

Elerium-115님이 먼저 게시:

Saying that, Frieza's race is a bit of a special case

Shenron states "if Frieza gets wished back, he'll be wished back as a clump of sliced and diced bits because that's how Trunks carved him up before blasting him"

..to which they do that anyway much to Shenron's ire and then stick his bits together and attempt to heal him in a medical chamber with Frieza being somewhat aware that he is multiple bits

Were it any other person they'd wish back the body, apparently, no matter if it was incinerated or what have you.

But that's how he died. So if what Shenron said is true then everyone would be resurrected to the state they were in the moment they were died and everyone time you wished to bring someone back they'd immediately die because they returned to a dying body. You can't have it both ways. Either the wish brings everyone back to a healthy body, or it brings everybody back to a dying body.

[Tsuruugi]

Makura님이 먼저 게시:

We actually don't know a lot about the Saiyans though, do we? The only actual Saiyan Conflict we know of was the Saiyan-Tuffle war, and irrc those tuffles have been not been nice hosts (that may be a victors story, but alas, nobody can tell us something different). All other information we have are based on a Freezer subjugated race, which might had rustled some jimmies for some saiyans and put them on the aggresive side.
I mean, look at what the treaty of versailles did after the first world war...

Yea, that is the only major war that we know of the Saiyans, and how they fought with the Truffles...

But, going back to what others are saying... I don't think that the Saiyan race were that blood thirsty. I mean, when they weren't on missions from Frieza or someone else, they were home with their kind, drinking and having a fun time cracking jokes about who got their asses beat on their missions. I've seen both cases in Bardock's storyline and also a few in multiple clips of saiyan history.

That said, I don't believe that although they are a fighting race, they would just randomly start galactic conquest. Well, not entirely...

I do believe that the Saiyan race would search out stronger and stronger fighters, because they are always looking for a challenge, a mission or quest to take on.

My theory is that if Planet Vegeta was brought back, multiple things could happen;

1. Vegeta would become the next King because his father was D.E.D.. DED!
2. Vegeta would probably have to prove himself to the whole race, and that would be easy as he would be able to just turn Super Saiyan and prove that the legend was infact real.
3. Vegeta's influence would probably muster a global change in Saiyan culture, as he considers himself a human with Saiyan Pride... This would most likely have multiple Saiyan start living on Earth, much like he and Goku did, but with Vegeta by choice.
4. Mass breeding of half Saiyan/human children; probably ushering in a newbreed of super beings!!! This would probably be the final descussion of who are the strongest beings, with Saiyan children learning the teachings from Goku and Vegeta and company on how to become super saiyans by sheer will, instead of Pain of Loss.
5. This would also mean that the more crossbreeds there are, the more likely that the Saiyan genome would decrease decades upon decades... Thus probably ending their species doomed to incimination (or whatever that word is...)

Anyone see where I'm coming from? Or is it too much of a wishful thinking?